Excellent topic for discussion! There is so much in the way you've presented that it's making it difficult for me to address each note. There is fear, doom and gloom, ending of the world, shifts in realities and finally there is hope, joy and happiness that comes with understanding truth or seeing the full picture finally.

The change though that I sense is happening now(and possibly has been even for a while). Is it a preperation of something to come in 2012? I don't know. Does anyone? We all have thoughts pertaining to this, just as we all have thoughts pertaining to death.

Ultimately I believe we really don't need dates and times to tell us (man) when it's "OK" to come out of the dark or awaken to the problems of the world. There is no better time than the present for this, that leaves no room for future doom.

I have a lot more to add to this matter, but for now I'll leave it here and read what others have to say

Well, as one of the sites that I quoted stated, time is actually speeding up. Now, if you look at the past twenty years, it has went by pretty fast. I was only 9 or 10 years old, twenty years ago, but it feels rather recently, really.

Now, I have said for the last five years thatit is as if we are sppeding towards a climatic point in history. It would seem to me that we are in a hurry to get somewhere. We don't get in a hurry if we are doing something or going somewhere that should be dreaded. Do we? I know I don't.

If one looks at the scenarios, there are really only two things that are likely to occur.

(1) A dimensional shift. If this occurs,then things are just going to get stranger and stranger, as if they aren't strange enough.

(2) A time shift. Now, if this occurs, there will be little to no perceptible change, at least not immediately.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, as one of the sites that I quoted stated, time is actually speeding up. Now, if you look at the past twenty years, it has went by pretty fast. I was only 9 or 10 years old, twenty years ago, but it feels rather recently, really.

Now, I have said for the last five years thatit is as if we are sppeding towards a climatic point in history. It would seem to me that we are in a hurry to get somewhere. We don't get in a hurry if we are doing something or going somewhere that should be dreaded. Do we? I know I don't.

If one looks at the scenarios, there are really only two things that are likely to occur.

(1) A dimensional shift. If this occurs,then things are just going to get stranger and stranger, as if they aren't strange enough.

(2) A time shift. Now, if this occurs, there will be little to no perceptible change, at least not immediately.

I've felt this exhilaration of time as well and I've spoken to others about this who also feel a sense of "urgency" (some have defined it as) and I don't think it is that outer things are causing this sense of time exhilaration, I think it's more inside man than what's actually going on. Does that make any sense?

Also I'd like to say that Gods people are not to be dismayed by these signs and wonders. Things ARE going to get stranger and stranger for certain, it's all prophesied and spoken of in Scripture. But I'm not sure if the 2012 theory is lining up with the Word or something placed by man or Satan to confuse or dismay or better yet keep us from the heart of the matter.

Well my oppinion is that 2012 is a given deadline for everyone to actually consider it to be dooms day or a world wide change for humanity. I think people want most of the 2012 theories to come TRUE, despite the horror. We want change - anything for change. A restart to the system. 2012 is something to hope for. Although, I highly doubt anything will happen by 2012 because, we cannot predict the future as far as now. Take weather for example, we only get a certain prediction within a few days, longrange forecasts are a probable chance but are unlikely to occur. Theres so much fluctuation with events that a prediction so far from now is very unprobable. On the other hand, since many have set 2012 a date for change, we of all people are possibly setting the course to it, making events happen subconciously without knowing it, that leads to the set date. I hope that makes sense =l

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Edit: Grammer check

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I've been reading this "2012 crap" (as I confidently call it) since 2004 and I still don't understand half of it.

I don't get this whole "change of consciousness" thing. I mean like in the blink of an eye 6,000,000,000+ people including infants, people sleeping, truckers on the road late at night, people sitting at their office desk, elderly Alzheimer's patients, people in comas, etc. all get this new "change of consciousness" in the snap of a finger? How is this even merely physically, mentally, spiritually, or logically possible in any way, shape, or form? I mean we're living life normally one minute and the next minute we're in this whole "age of awareness" where we're all much more aware of ourselves and stuff? Come on, get real how is this possible for 6 billion people of all ages, races, religions, etc. at one moment?
Explain that to me.

I'm also sick of all of these scientific calculations and diagrams explaining this 2012 stuff, as a normal Joe-schmo non-scientist I don't understand them any better than anyone else that isn't the person making them up saying how accurate they are. You can keep using your unpronounceable words next to your science lingo to describe what will happen in 2012 scientifically with all your magnetism junk but unless you're a rocket scientist like I am NOT, it doesn't make sense and AFAIC it's just bologna.
Keep making all of your diagrams but when 2012 comes and goes you'll realize it was time spent on nothing.

I also don't know why people jump to the whole "wars will be going on in 2012!" thing so fast. I mean seriously, we have been in war continuously throughout history. We have had famines, plagues, wars, attacks, violence, bloodshed, and all that other nasty stuff ever since the first humans. Don't tell me "in 2012 we be in a huge war" we're in 2006 and we're in a huge war. In 1990 we were in a huge war. We were in a HUGE war for almost two decades in Vietnam. We were in a huge war in 1939. We were in a huge war in 1917. We were in a huge war in 1863. We were in a huge war in 1778. Duh!!! The best question is more like, when haven't we been in a huge war?
The chance that we will be in a huge war in 2012 is high and it has nothing to with calendars, predictions, UFOs, or the monster under your bed. It has to do with human history. Duh. Seriously.

Then there's you guys that say "OMG the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 OMG!!" Uhh.. the Gregorian calendar ends on December 31 every year and it's been in use since only a few centuries after Jesus' death I believe. Now the Mayan calendar has been in use slightly (:p) longer than the Gregorian but they both end and they've both ended many times before now and we're still here. The Mayan calendar by the way doesn't infinitely end in 2012, it ends a CYCLE and begins a NEW cycle, it's not like the whole thing all together ends.

Has this generation not learned from the past?
Does anyone here remember December 31, 1998? I sure as heck do! I was scared to death that night, thinking "we're about to enter into the year of 1999.. this is the end, why do I have to die so young?" And nothing happened.
Then, December 31 (uh oh, not another cycle end (our equivilent of a Mayan calendar 'baktun') of the GREGORIAN calendar!!) of 1999 it was like "oh crap, the year 2000 is coming in and since the world didn't end last year it will for sure this time." Then nothing happened.
Then I remember in the end of 2000 everyone said the world would end on January 1, 2001 because they had mis-calculated the millennium and 2001 was really the millennium and 2000 never was. Well, that never happened either.
I can think of tens of more examples going back to the 1800's alone.


The only weird to me thing about 2012 is that it and the "Prophesy of the popes" thing run kind of close together. But I'm sure it's a mere coincidence like that whole Y2K and 2000 were.

2012: you'll be more shocked at what DOESN'T happen.

So yeah, if it all ends Dec 22nd or 23rd on 2012
then it will ruin alot of travel plans for adults
and disappoint all the kids expecting a nice cache of presents...

But that isn't going to happen.

All that might happen is a change- a big change-
but nothing so big that we all can't spare 30 minutes before breakfast
on the 25th to open some gifts and sustain the Santa conspiracy.

I heard the Mayans mentioned... good.

What needs to be discussed here is the following:

TERENCE McKENNA

TIMEWAVE ZERO

I CHING

THE PYRAMIDS


All of these things (plus the Mayan calander as mentioned)
point to a serious bump in the night in Dec of 2012.

Google McKenna, and the other subjects aforementioned.

Thanks very much.

Proceed with you debate and discussion.

You know there have been those that have said, “the end is near” since the beginning of time. The only thing that changes is the date and the cause and now it seems that it is changing to a new age of consciousness. I usually am not interested in this topic because I know better. I know that no one can possibly know what the future holds and what will happen. What I am curious about is why some people talk about this and claim to know what will happen. I think this belief that the world is about to experience a major change is an underlying wish that we have that the world was better than it is. Even I will admit to the occasional fantasy about what the world would be like without civilization and government control. I would refer to it as the Mad Max syndrome.

I know that the world does seem more chaotic now than before, but I think it is probably due to other factors than “the end is near”. I think we hear about more problems because of the news media and the Internet. We are more aware of what is going on now more than in any time in history. The problem is, we don’t like what we see.

I think another factor is that some of us feel powerless and alienated. Even though there are more people on the planet than ever before, we still feel disconnected. Again I blame the media, but not the news this time. We watch movies and TV shows that show how everyone should have friends and are accepted, and we should always have somewhere to go and people to see. We are taught that we must have cell phones to keep in contact with one another. If you don’t quite live up to this high standard, then you don’t belong and it gives a feeling of alienation though you may not know it consciously.

I think this feeling of alienation is being converted into a subconscious wish that there weren’t so many people on this planet, and that without civilization and classes that everyone would be on the same level. This brings about the idea that something is about to happen, because underneath we want it to happen. If everyone is on the same level then we are just as important as everyone else. With fewer people on the planet that would make our lives that much more important.

I think there are other factors involving overpopulation and how a species reacts to that, but I really don’t know much about that. There are obvious concerns about overpopulation, but that needs to be dealt with in an intelligent way and not by expecting some disaster to occur.

Once you realize the cause of this line of thinking, I think it is easy to come back to your senses. We really don’t know that anything is about to happen and we don’t want to see a major portion of the population wiped out. So maybe it really is about becoming more conscious about why we think the way we do. Just not the way you might think.

I do agree a bit with the "We Want it to happen".
We all want something Dramatic in our lives, and maybe that's the prime driver for this idea. Just hoping for something Cool to happen.