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"Come out of her my people" Rev 18:4

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posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 12:36 PM
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A deception among ALL deceptions, the ultimate deception on mankind. "come out of her my people" is this; the her is the church orginizations that are not and do not teach from the true scripture. They (the church) do not follow nor observe the commandments as they are preaching, teaching and spreading the false word (doctrine) that man is and can be saved by grace-ONLY- thus is no longer bound by the law of The Eternal Creator (YHWH). This same doctrine teaches of a Roman Christ Jesus. This same doctrine is preventing "sleepy" believers of even knowing His name! Thus worshipping another (false messiah) for His namsake. I could continue.......(for those who are misguided or "beguiled" such as I was, grace is favor. Do you honestly think that YHWH favors those who do not even know His name? Do you think He favors those who do not follow is TEN commandments? How can we be favored if we do not even Remember and Observe is Holy Day or REST????)
****Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.****

The point I stress is this: It is time to WAKE UP and come out of her my people because you, me, all of us pretty much have been asleep and deceived. The nations (World) is drunk with her wine. And we have been committing the ultimate sin by fornicating with another god. This is a serious wake up call, even for me, as I have been seeking His truth for a long time but time and time again I would fall right back into the pit. It's so easy to do because Satan wants you and me because he knows our love for the one true G_d and His Son Messiah Yahshua (His REAL name)

So if this isn't ranked a conspiracy than I don't know what conspiracy even is. This is the "mother ship" of conspiracies! The ultimate deception upon mankind!! 70% of Americans 'claim' the title of Christianity. How many of those 70% are drunk or asleep??? It is time, because there is no better time than the present, to come out of her all together because the "revealing" is taking place. And His voice (Trumpet) is LOUD.

Mat 11:15 , Mat 13:16 , Mar 4:9 , Mar 4:23 , Mar 7:14 , Mar 7:16 , Rev 2:7, Rev 2:11 ,

Rev 2:17: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.




posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 01:57 PM
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Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity. It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.

Now, when one looks at the atrocities that the church committed during the inquisition, it is obvious that the church was trying to hide something from the people. What that was has yet to be revealed. However, it is quite evident that secrecy was indeed the intention of the inquisition and the labeling of people as "heretics."



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity.


What present day christianity are you comparing 1st century christianity with?



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

What present day christianity are you comparing 1st century christianity with?


I'm not. I just said that there wasn't any comparison. That's not necessarily a good thing either.



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity.

Apparently so in some circles -- Paul's writings are not considered legitimate and visions from and of God are considered something that can't be believed... Good thing Ananias didn't feel the same way before he went to see Paul after he had traveled the road to Damascus, and that Peter didn’t feel that way before traveling to see Cornelius.


It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.


What do you know of what was discussed at the Council of Nicea? The records of what was discussed and voted on have been discovered...Are you basing your assumptions off of them or off of what the media tells you?


Now, when one looks at the atrocities that the church committed during the inquisition, it is obvious that the church was trying to hide something from the people. What that was has yet to be revealed. However, it is quite evident that secrecy was indeed the intention of the inquisition and the labeling of people as "heretics."


The Spanish Inquisition was about political power and using religion as a means to attain that power. Secrecy of sorts was employed at this time, having most of the general population being illiterate and told they could not interpret the scripture, instead needing someone else to interpret it for them, thereby hiding the fact that the political grab for power in the name of Christ was completely against scripture. However, what secrets are you talking about?

[edit on 10/26/06/26 by junglejake]



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 03:40 PM
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the when where's and how's are not what is pertinent. Knowing that at some point in time that the enemy came into her and sowed tears among the wheat (Mat 13:25) is the matter at hand or in this case the discussion being brought to the table. Your's and my salvation is vital to discerning the Truth here. If you believe in G_d and you believe He sent His only begotten Son to you (the world) then awaken and hear His voice calling you out of Babylon (the church) because this "mystery religion" of today is absolutely not connected to the He that you 'think'. This religion today is mans religion. There are beautiful depictions (pictures) of Christ Jesus, (false messiah) eloquently spoken interpretations of the Word (false doctrine) -by this I am stating that the Word is being perverted by certain shepherds to tickle the ears of the sheep so the sheep are *silenced* and happy. Noone and I mean NOONE wants to know or for certainly hear the Truth being taught in church today therefore the Truth remains hidden to those who do not have ears to hear and eyes to see!!

If there is money involved it does not belong to Him. If it involves mans festivities and holidays, it does not belong to Him, if it involves idols and Sun-day worship, it isn't His, if it involves grace *only* with the removal of the Law, it certainly is not His. So now that you have a few obvious examples(there are many more) of what is Not His; you can easily discern what IS HIS. You are His, so if He is calling you out of what Satan has taken over, then you need to listen. I know it is my duty to share the Truth with you brothers and sisters and it is your duty to allow that seed to be watered and grow. It isn't my voice you hear, it's not mans voice at all, you that love Him and honor Him, know exactly whose voice.



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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What you mean by putting (false messiah) after Jesus Christ I don't know, and would be interested to hear an explanation...

How do you discern what is man's and what is God's? I get the impression that holidays you perceive as man's, and not God's, as you seem to a Sabbath day, yet God gave the Jews many holidays.

If money is being asked for, it is not of God? Why, then, would Judas have had the opportunity to be in charge of the money? How are pastors to eat? Why would God have commanded David to collect so much wealth and Solomon to use that wealth to create the Temple? Why would we be commanded to tithe? Why did Jesus praise the woman giving 2 minas in the Temple? How is a ministry to survive if they cannot afford food? Water? A building to gather at? All those things spoken of throughout scripture? Why, in acts, does it talk about people giving everything they had to the community, to the church?


Noone and I mean NOONE wants to know or for certainly hear the Truth being taught in church today therefore the Truth remains hidden to those who do not have ears to hear and eyes to see!!


I don't follow...

Where did your list of what is not His come from? I'll agree on some points, such as idol worship being despised by God, because you're putting something before Him as the Israelites did at Mt. Sinai, just to mention one example.

It really sounds like you expect a perfect church, and if there is any imperfection in it you have to leave it. The fact is, though, that even if you found that perfect church, as soon as you walk through the doors it is no longer perfect. Even Paul wrote that he did evil when he did not want to. Peter did as well. In fact, every person in the Bible with the exception of Christ did evil in some regard. If they hadn't, we'd not have needed Christ. Enoch and Elijah did remarkably well, not dying but instead being taken up into heaven, but even they were stained with at least original sin. All fall short of the glory of God. By this criteria, though, Christians can never gather, which is exactly what the enemy would want. Ever hear of divide and conquer? Christ pointed out that a force divided against itself cannot stand when He was accused of casting out demons in Satan's name, yet that's exactly what the enemy is trying to do to the faithful. God said it is not good that man should be alone.

Naturally, though, do not lose heart! Time and time again through scripture God has shown that He can take evil and bring good out of it (Genesis 50:20, Exodus 1:11, Exodus 1:12, Deuteronomy 8:15, Deuteronomy 8:16, Jeremiah 24:5, Jeremiah 24:6, Ezekiel 1 to name a few examples). If you see something wrong with the Bride of Christ, do not flee! Christ said we should expect opposition if we were living in Him because the servant is not better than the master. American and Western Christians, however, have come to expect our lives with Christ to be cakewalks and as soon as we run into opposition, be it in the church or in our day to day lives, we panic and flee instead of facing it standing on God's Word. Note that the Armor of God does not protect your back! Fight for your church, help a budding revival that is starting to burn across this country, do not cower in fear thinking that Christ's Bride is referred to as a whore by God -- she is not, it is the world that is the whore, selling itself more and more to be more appealing to people's sin nature. If you want to know just how depraved this world has gotten, you just have to read about a company's attempt to turn your 6-year-olds into "sex kittens" with toys at the local toy store.



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake

The Spanish Inquisition was about political power and using religion as a means to attain that power.

[edit on 10/26/06/26 by junglejake]


Precisely. Anytime you det the impression that I am "deriding" the "church," this is exactly what I am alluding to. As to what secrets, heh, well, let's just say that there are things, not necessarily dealing with the deity of Christ, the "church" doesn't want you to know.

[edit on 26-10-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
As to what secrets, heh, well, let's just say that there are things, not necessarily dealing with the deity of Christ, the "church" doesn't want you to know.

[edit on 26-10-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]


Please, expand on this. You sound as if you know these "secrets" by your tone. If you don't, then please explain how you know they have those secrets. If you do, expose these secrets.



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity. It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.



I'm trying to nail you down on the word church. What do you mean by church? A denomination, etc.



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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I'm trying to nail you down on the word church. What do you mean by church? A denomination, etc.


Hi--

Well, let me say that Speaker-of-Truth and myself agree to disagree on some things, BUT, this time I have to lend my support.

When "we" say "Church" --and much more when YOU say "church"--we are speaking of the Universal Body of Christ --THAT Church--which is the only Church there is. Denominationalism is a a result of schism in the Body of Christ. The understanding is that a "divided house" cannot stand--and there are 506 demominations of Christianity just in the US alone. The reason for the splits and splinters, and the schisms, is the keeping of the very secrets that Speaker references. Are there really Secrets? Does a Conspiracy really exist within the Christian Church, (Catholic and Protestant)?

YESSSS!

[edit on 26-10-2006 by Ed Littlefox]



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Well, there is much coming to light. Present day Christianity has very little in common with first century Christianity. It seems to me that the church doctrine has been manipulated with since at least the council of Nicea and perhaps before then.



I'm trying to nail you down on the word church. What do you mean by church? A denomination, etc.


i think speaker intends to say christianity in general

as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically



posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think speaker intends to say christianity in general

as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically


True christianity still exists. But not all denominations present the truth. That's why the Bible is to be read so that the truth can be known and discernment can be used to know who's telling the truth.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think speaker intends to say christianity in general

as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically


True christianity still exists. But not all denominations present the truth. That's why the Bible is to be read so that the truth can be known and discernment can be used to know who's telling the truth.


I agree dbrandt. My own church is non-denominational (we have catholics as well as non-religious people coming to hear the word) and we base our teachings on the Word, pure and simple. We don't have any crosses on the walls, statues or rituals. We do have the bread and wine (well, blackcurrant Mi-Wadi) every so often and water baptism if the person wants to become a 'partner' in the church. Partner is what we call our members, because we're all par-takers in the love of God. We don't have infant baptism cause that's not Biblical. Our pastor also tells us to read the word for ourselves and not just take what he says at face-value. He has changed his outlook on some things as a result of this, when he's made little mistakes. Overall he's a good teacher though. Before anyone asks, the answer is yes, he does know the Bible in Hebrew and Greek. As do some other members of the church.

edited for speeling. really must get a speel cheekor

[edit on 27/10/06 by jimboman]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

i think speaker intends to say christianity in general

as in the stuff that nearly all christians share in common theologically


You think correctly.



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake
What you mean by putting (false messiah) after Jesus Christ I don't know, and would be interested to hear an explanation...


*Sometime ago….the church got/took control of the scriptures. The name Jesus is not the correct name for our Messiah. Therefore, the name is incorrect. I could go into meanings of the name Jesus, but you can do this yourself by researching online even. YAH-shua (with various spellings) is the name of our Messiah. He is from the seed of David. Our Messiah spoken of biblically is not a Roman-Grecian Christ. If you believe this and your church is teaching this then the truth is…. you/me/most Christians have been deceived in a big way. So now that you understand this; can you understand that you/me/most Christians have been already worshipping a false-Messiah or “image” of Messiah. Read the scriptures, there are warnings all through out.


How do you discern what is man's and what is God's?


*Good question! It is not easy in this day! All I can suggest jj is to pray for discernment and truth and then read the Word. Because anything that was taken out, manipulated, or added to, will be clarified for you through the Holy Spirit! The Word is Living not just written!



I get the impression that holidays you perceive as man's, and not God's, as you seem to a Sabbath day, yet God gave the Jews many holidays.


*YHWH (G_d) provided us with seven wonderful feast days or festivals and not only does it seem they aren’t good enough that we (the universal we) do not even observe or honor those festivities/days but we (man) created or adopted others! How pathetic and sad yet warned in the Scriptures. The same people who would have you/us believe in a false Messiah would also have you/us believe that the bible was separated or split for two separate races/peoples (what better way to control the masses). Do you understand that the bible is not just for Jews or just Greeks or Gentiles etc??? If you believe in G_d (YHWH) and worship Him and you believe His Son who came in the flesh is Messiah then you are “grafted in the vine”
And that means the ENTIRE bible is for YOU. You cannot have one (Torah) without the other (New Testament) I can go into this further if need be at a later time.


If money is being asked for, it is not of God?


*That’s where discernment is needed. Does the church need money?? Do they not have faith? Asking is one thing, donating or giving is another. If you need money or should/must give money in order for you to attend a congregation or church to worship and talk about G_d and Yeshua, then I’d have to say no, that church is not “truly” from/of G_d.. If and I say a big IF, you are a part of the church and also a member and you devote yourself to making that church stand then the church will NEVER need to ask for money, it will come in the form of many things, such as time, food, gifts of Spirit and body. IF that was the case today in churches, then ‘they’ would never need anything- they would have it all. Every personage who attends a church should be a part of that church, a part of what makes that church grow and flourish. That should answer all of your following questions regarding money.


Where did your list of what is not His come from? I'll agree on some points, such as idol worship being despised by God, because you're putting something before Him as the Israelites did at Mt. Sinai, just to mention one example.


*Does your church contain idols? Are there crosses hanging around? Are there pictures or depictions of what Yeshua looks like? Are these idol things or images necessary for the church to strive? The list I gave is not my list. It’s His list and it is in the bible. You cannot just agree on ‘some’ points. You should agree on all points. Not with me, with Him. Not with man, with Him. Are you worshipping Him as He instructed? Or are you worshipping man as they have instructed?


It really sounds like you expect a perfect church, and if there is any imperfection in it you have to leave it.


*I don’t expect, He does. He knows His people by how they strive to worship Him. He knows we are not perfect and that is where “grace” comes in. He knows your heart. He knows you by your fruits. Do you belong to Him or this world? If you belong to Him, you are in this world but not of it. No you aren’t perfect in the flesh! (that’s why Yeshua Messiah came and cleansed you)Would you rather be perfect by mans standards? Do you know what that entails?



The fact is, though, that even if you found that perfect church, as soon as you walk through the doors it is no longer perfect.


*The fact is, is that the perfect church does not have doors.


Even Paul wrote that he did evil when he did not want to. Peter did as well.


*And Paul and Peter set good examples for you. They show you that man isn’t perfect, however even a non-perfected man can be held and loved by the Most High.


By this criteria, though, Christians can never gather, which is exactly what the enemy would want. Ever hear of divide and conquer?


*The enemy wants you because you belong to G_d and what better way to get you than through your belief system. Corrupting the vine and deceiving G_ds chosen people by believing they are worshipping G_d when in all actuality the people are worshipping man (Ant-Messiah) Can you see how G_ds Word has been twisted and used against Him to control the masses? Can you see what it is or who it is that stands in the way of Him?


(Continued.....)



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 11:02 AM
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Naturally, though, do not lose heart!


*Absolutely agreed! Just because you aren’t part of the physical church does not mean there is no church! The body of Yeshua Messiah are the people that are favored (under grace) because they do not require a standing building (metaphor) to worship the One True G_d-YHWH through His Son Yeshua. Of course you can still gather and worship Him! Do you have enough strength to stand up on Sun-day and tell “your” church what they are doing wrong today? Do you have enough faith that they will see the err of their ways and repent? Do you believe you can help your church that has fallen or gone astray? Can you gather the sheep back to the True Shepherd? All hope is not lost, no. All things are possible with G_d! Maybe you can just take your pastor aside and ask him questions, talk to him (being that he is head of the household there) instead of making a scene in front of the people on Sun-day . I wonder what your pastor would think or say to these things that are Scriptural?


If you see something wrong with the Bride of Christ, do not flee!


* The Bride of Yeshua Messiah is you, me anyone out there hearing and seeing the Truth. No, I would not suggest fleeing the Bride!! I’m suggesting you flee Babylon, her, the “church”. Unless, you can help her and call her back into the Bride of Messiah!


Christ said we should expect opposition if we were living in Him because the servant is not better than the master. American and Western Christians, however, have come to expect our lives with Christ to be cakewalks and as soon as we run into opposition, be it in the church or in our day to day lives, we panic and flee instead of facing it standing on God's Word.


*The church today teaches that it is a “cakewalk” to get into the kingdom of heaven. Mans (Satans) road is wide. G_ds road is narrow. The Master and one true Shepherd is Yeshua Messiah. I’m not suggesting you panic, I’m not trying to scare you into running to the mountains (Him) He is telling you/warning you see- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (The Kingdom of Heaven is already here) You don’t need a pass from your church to “get in”.


Note that the Armor of God does not protect your back!


* It is His Armor, it most certainly can protect His people!


Fight for your church, help a budding revival that is starting to burn across this country, do not cower in fear thinking that Christ's Bride is referred to as a whore by God -- she is not, it is the world that is the whore, selling itself more and more to be more appealing to people's sin nature.


*Removing yourself from the church (yes the “whore”) is not cowering. He is coming back and He is not riding on a donkey this time around. He is coming back bearing the ark of the covenant (The Law) He is angry. Why do you think He is angry?? Who do you think He is angry with? He is angry because Satan has seated himself in the (His) throne and deceived His people and the Anti- Messiah(s)(man) has promoted this deception to occur. Even some of His own people have fallen/been deceived! Why does He say that if it were not for the elect then all people would perish? Do you think the elect are in the 70 percentile? I’m not asking you these questions simply for your answers here…I’m asking you so that you might ask yourself and find Truth (seek the answers!!) don’t just settle for what man is doing because he is doing it in a house of worship!


If you want to know just how depraved this world has gotten, you just have to read about a company's attempt to turn your 6-year-olds into "sex kittens" with toys at the local toy store.


*Yes these things are bad. But have you EVER considered that the blatant “bad” things are there to make the hidden (un blatant) things appear better or “good”? Think about that for a while, that is a hard fact to swallow. Believe me, it is hard to learn that you and your generations before you have been so very deceived by man. But when you read the bible you can clearly see that these times are spoken of and warned through and through. Are you waiting for “Jesus” to come and get rid of all this bad stuff and save mankind with peace and harmony??? That sounds a bit like this the anti-Christ taught in the church today!
No one wants to hear a sermon where Yeshua is coming back angry and with fire and He is sending out His reapers on the church/Babylon and all her sisters for their utter most adultery and fornication! The reason is because the very same preachers/pastors are most likely the ones being spoken of in Revelation. I don’t blaspheme the True Bride or the Spirit of Yeshua, no. But if it don’t line up with the Word (no matter what that “it” is, then get out, put on your Armor and speak/teach about the True kingdom of G_d)

(As an ending to all of the above) Ask yourself why you go to church? I mean “really why”?? To use an example (even though I don’t like using examples of people) Why does the little old white haired man or woman go to church? Why are they still there after so many years? Ultimately, people go to church seeking Truth and secondly to worship and praise Him. If it takes you more than one sitting in a church to learn the Truth than I assure you “it’ isn’t there….So where has the Truth gone??? The Truth exists in His Word, the Living Word which is in you, the Holy Spirit that dwells in you. The Holy Spirit doesn’t come and go, here and there. So are you going to forsake The Truth for the assembly (mans assembly) Remember the number of the beast is a human number…….



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ed Littlefox

Hi--

Well, let me say that Speaker-of-Truth and myself agree to disagree on some things, BUT, this time I have to lend my support.

When "we" say "Church" --and much more when YOU say "church"--we are speaking of the Universal Body of Christ --THAT Church--which is the only Church there is. Denominationalism is a a result of schism in the Body of Christ. The understanding is that a "divided house" cannot stand--and there are 506 demominations of Christianity just in the US alone. The reason for the splits and splinters, and the schisms, is the keeping of the very secrets that Speaker references. Are there really Secrets? Does a Conspiracy really exist within the Christian Church, (Catholic and Protestant)?

YESSSS!

[edit on 26-10-2006 by Ed Littlefox]


Hello,Ed... How are you.

Naturally we will disagree on certain things. There are some things that I say that is built upon cumulative amounts of information that I have built up over a period of about 16 years of study. Therefore, when someone asks me what I am basing some of my comments on, I can't pinpoint a specific point of information, so it leaves room for doubt in many people. It's totally understandable that people disagree with me.

Ed, at least you do have the courage to admit that not all is right within the present "church," nor will it be until the messiah appears to rectify the situation. There are certain posters in this forum who are very reasonable and I must say, Ed, that you are indeed one of them. I appreciate that reasonableness.



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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HarpStrings--

WONDERFUL Post--well put, and dead accurate. I thank you, and it is just too bad I am out of "Way Above" votes this month, (always next month, tho), or you would certainly be getting them for the above 2 posts.

YES--the real name of "Jesus" is, indeed, Yhesua, pronounced "Yeshuwah" (YHWH). You can add to that the suffix "bin Sera". The fact , and reason for the "J", is that the Romans (Latin) always substituted a "J" character and sound for anything in Hebrew that had the characters and sound of Yea and Yah as well as other Middle eastern language sounds that had glotal stops. Aparantly, the Latin translators couldn't do these glotal stops, and both Hebrew and Aramaic are full of them.

What you are denoting above is a part of what I call, "The Conspiracy Against God", and I have a blog up here on that. It is that so MUCH has been changed over the past 1500 years that has diluted, polluted, an Diluded, The Faith (and the Faithful) that, in the universal sense, we are so far away from the original version that we have near totally lost sight of what the Faith even IS. One of the major travesties of this, IMHO, is that Christianity has devolved into "Bible Worship". Folks, we don't worship a Book--and especially a much changed and now incomplete Book. We worship "God". Understand that the first 500 years of the Body of Christ went WITHOUT that Book.

I'm risking getting "preachy" here, and I don't mean to do that. It is enough to say that Christianity, over it's 2000 years history, has definately been "punked" for the purposes of Command and Control over it's followers and in the interest of the Elite Few.

Again, HarpStrings, thank you for a powerful and great Post.



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 02:28 PM
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I think that the Bible shouldn't be taken uber-literally when it comes to symbolism, Revelation was written based on a vision of the future by John. Not the disciple John, but another John in the 1st Century AD. John can't accurately describe things hes been shown that he's never seen before, much less knows anything about whatsoever; to him it would be beyond his wildest imaginations. Humans have done SO MUCH in the past 4,000 years.. particularly the past 2,000 ..

When he is referring to Babylon the Great, mother of all Harlots, I personally think he is talking about New York City, where the main U.N. building is (governing the world), where the tallest statue of a woman in the entire world is (statue of liberty). If I were John, and someone showed me a futuristic vision of modern day New York being destroyed and focused in on a giant statue of a woman, as tall as the buildings, and focused in on U.N. meetings, world governance, all nations participating thus drinking from the cup, id consider it Babylon too. The U.N. oil for food scandal .. just 1 small thing. In Reggae music they sing about Babylon when referring to repressive U.S. foreign policy and government.

Whats funny, someone mentioned that the bible is actually talking about modern day area of ancient babylon, ie BAGHDAD, but .. I dont think so. Wanna hear something along that vein though? In Revelation it says there will be 144,000 'Jews' from the 12 different tribes that will be whisked away and spared, or so we think (being spared could mean being killed, considering it says ppl will try to kill themselves and fail).

Right now in Iraq our troop level of the U.S. Armed Forces alone is 144,000.

[edit on 10/30/2006 by runetang]



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