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Blackstar project shelved?

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posted on Oct, 23 2006 @ 11:46 AM
AviationWeek is reporting that the secret spaceplane project has been shelved in Groom Lake.

Anyone with info on this?

posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 03:50 PM
The so-called "Blackstar" project was debunked as pure crapola. The article was bad journalism coupled with bad science.

posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 04:19 PM
Off topic for one question.

Shadowhawk what is your opinion of the Bob Lazar/S-4 story? Thanks.

posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 10:07 PM
I've never found Bob Lazar's story credible.

To drag this digression slightly back on topic, I understand Lazar also provided the early rear view description of "Aurora." For the record, I also don't find "Aurora" credible. At least not as an operational hypersonic vehicle.

There are some interesting hints from someone who worked at Groom regarding a one-off high-speed manned demonstrator. Not sure how fast or what type of propulsion.

posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 11:52 PM
The guy who came up with this story, is the same one who came up with the TR-3 nonsense too. His record of reporting black projects is very bad.

posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 12:05 AM
I thought this thread was going to be about the Mos Def / Talib Kweli collaboration.
As it turns out, I am sorely disappointed.

By the way, in my opinion, Bob Lazar is not credible in the least. I am interested in the Aurora project, but I have my doubts about the probability of that specific program as well.

I thought I read a year or two ago that Groom Lake, along with the rest of Area 51 wasn't being used anymore?

posted on Dec, 25 2006 @ 02:55 PM
In case anyone is unfamiliar with the Blackstar rumor.........

Blackstar page on

In my opinion it seems like the Blackstar if not a real US system it's at least a plausible one. I also feel that some of these "debunked" systems we're probably leaked disinfo operations by the government when there's a chance a real operational or testing system is about to have it's cover blown. But it's all speculation until we see one sitting on a tarmac at an air show.

One thing that makes me think that Blackstar or something similar may exist is that it was rumored that Scaled Composits had a hand in the building. The system is supposed to be a lot like the White Knite and Space Ship One configuration.

posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 12:29 AM
looking4truth, I'm not sure how much faith I'd put in your source article from, whoever they are; it looks like the text was lifted verbatim from the Blackstar article at Wikipedia. Also, I didn't read anything in the Aviation Week source article about Blackstar sporting an SSME or any other rocket engine.

I'll echo Shadowhawk's statement and agree that the Aviation Week article was a combination of bad journalism and bad science. There's no realistic way that a supposed Blackstar system could do everything William B. Scott says it can - namely, act as a manned two-stage-to-orbit launch system.

There's really no need for a manned craft to do the work Blackstar was supposed to do - anti-satellite missions could be carried out with an unmanned missile like the F-15-launched ASAT. Satellite inspection missions (of hostile satellites) or more traditional reconnaissance operations could be carried out with much less risk by using an unmanned vehicle, as was attempted with the D-21 drone craft. This program suffered serious problems when launching drone craft at speed, and the Blackstar system addresses none of the risks inherent in launching a "daughter" vessels from supersonic aircraft. In fact, Blackstar would increase the risk of such a situation by adding (at least) a second pilot to the mix.

Blackstar doesn't make a whole lot of sense as advertised. But, as looking4truth notes, it is entirely possible that the Aviation Week story was leaked to cover up something similar.

[edit on 27-12-2006 by PhloydPhan]

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