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Originally posted by babloyi
Yes, you mentioned this in a thread earlier. I think I gave a reply to it also. You introduced the concept of abrogation, and I said that there really wasn't any (as far as Quranic verses over Quranic verses go). As I said, there is NOTHING in the Quran promoting use of the sword to spread Islam. To defend when attacked, yes. To fight during war, yes. But not to spread Islam. Islam cannot be spread by the sword.
Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother:
thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.
The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation.
~Deuteronomy 23:7-8
Originally posted by babloyi
1.How's that relevant to anything? 2.Is there evidence? 3.Is it an opinion? 4.Is it an attitude?
Originally posted by babloyi
QA, I'm really sorry for turning this into a bucketful of "islam vs christianity", but I just wanted to clarify the stuff, after all that's where the original criticisms of Islam came from.
infact, the Quran says that the diversity of humanity is MEANT TO BE SO.
And He shall judge between many peoples, and will decide for strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, And they shall not still learn war.
But they shall sit each one under his vine and under his fig tree; and there shall be no trembling; for the mouth of Jehovah of Hosts has spoken,
For all peoples will walk, each one in the name of his god; and we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.
~Micah 4:3-5
Surah 5:48
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
Surah 21:92
Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other).
But (later generations) cut off their affair (of unity), one from another: (yet) will they all return to Us.
Whoever works any act of righteousness and has faith,- His endeavour will not be rejected: We shall record it in his favour.
Originally posted by babloyi
The brotherhood of humanity. You'll notice, not even here is there any talk of conquering under Islam. We are all one in that at the end of the day, we will all be answerable to God.
Originally posted by Ersatz
I really do not know what you are trying to defend, there are hundreds of sites that confirm that Mohammed was a cruel warlord
Are all these who write about him mad?
Originally posted by babloyi
Yes, fighting is ordained to the muslims. When there is reason! "Fight those who fight you" "Fight those who drive you from your homes", "Oppression is worse than fighting". I finally got what you were talking about "Sacred months". I'm sorry to break it to you, but it's the Meccans who broke the treaty of the sacred months first. To unarmed pilgrims nonetheless!
Yes, when muslims are required to fight, then they must fight. That is in the Quran. It should also be in every person's basic logic of self-preservation.
If Muhammad was so bent on fulfilling his lustful needs, why was his first wife 15 years his senior? Why did he marry Sawdah bint Zam'ah, an old widow? Marriage is about more than lust and love.
They are certainly not mad. They have a very clever agenda which I'm trying to expose.
Originally posted by Ersatz
Originally posted by babloyi
If Muhammad was so bent on fulfilling his lustful needs, why was his first wife 15 years his senior? Why did he marry Sawdah bint Zam'ah, an old widow? Marriage is about more than lust and love.
The widow was rich, he did it for money.
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Amazing how people make up their own information based on no research whatsoever. So your argument is that he married her for the money, based on your view of Kadijah's age? Please tell us what age has to do with money. If it was for the money, then explain to us all why Muhammad's family was already a rich family, being born into the Quraish.
Originally posted by babloyi
The brotherhood of humanity. You'll notice, not even here is there any talk of conquering under Islam. We are all one in that at the end of the day, we will all be answerable to God.
Originally posted by The time lord
Which ever side one is on we all see the worst in others no one is perfect.