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Russian Film Admiral Byrd fighting Saucers

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posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:26 AM
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It is entirely possible that either the translation is wrong, or the film itself mistakenly says "Destroyer" when it might have been a tender or something.

Also, at the end of the War, there were plenty of surplus vessels knocking about. Even one's left over from WW1 that were used on convoy duty. A spare ship would not be hard to come by. Who knows if it was even a US ship. Maybe other vessels from Allied nations were there.

Besides, I am surprised no one has mentioned the British expedition that preceded Operation Highjump......




posted on May, 28 2007 @ 09:08 AM
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Completely disregarding the video for now, and looking at the records of Operation Highjump.


The U.S. Navy strongly emphasized that OPERATION HIGHJUMP was going to be a navy show, with naval interests predominating over scientific studies. Admiral Ramsey's preliminary orders of August 26, 1946, stated that "The Chief of Naval Operations only will deal with other governmental agencies" pertaining to OPERATION HIGHJUMP. "No diplomatic negotiations are required. No foreign observers will be accepted".

www.south-pole.com...

From what I've read, and this is speculation, the Philippine Sea was ONLY carrying the R4Ds when they arrived in the Antarctic. She was on a shakedown cruise off Cuba when word came to join the operation. Her first "real" deployment was in 1948. The R4D was by FAR the largest aircraft ever carried on a US Aircraft carrier to that point. They would have had to offload most or all of their carrier aircraft to fit them on deck.

Now, looking at possible mix ups in translation, the USS Merrick, WAS damaged during operations, however she did NOT sink. She damaged her rudder in the ice flows, and was towed to Port Chalmers NZ. She underwent temporary repairs there, and sailed back to San Diego.

All of the ships on the expedition list made port calls at other places before returning to the US, and are easily verified as being intact.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 12:35 PM
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The damage report is secret given to Naval Secretary, or was it
Secretary of Defense, Forestall.

If need be any traceable evidence would also be eliminated, but as
with many instances of this kind the first reports are beneficial.

Information on Tesla life besides what he wrote in his autobiography
can't be totally trusted.

The lies and total absurdity's written about Tesla is only surpassed by
the UFO ET people. If Tesla didn't write his own story you would never know
he existed.

Words are still be changes in what Tesla said, research well.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:30 PM
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The craft that accompanied Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd are as followed: Aircraft Carrier Philippine Sea with 6 RFD (C-47) planes, 2 Piper Cubs and a helicopter. The icebreaker Northwind and submarine Sennet with 6 Martin PBM flying boats.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:39 PM
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There were a total of 13 vessels that traveled with Operation Highjump. The Philippine Sea carried the R4Ds, two Destroyers, one Submarine, and several support vessels. The Sub was eventually towed out of the area, when it was realized the ice was posing too great a risk.

All of the ships were broken down into task groups. The Philippine Sea made up one, the base camp made up the second, and the rest of the ships were divided fairly equally. After delivering the R4Ds, the carrier sailed North again, and returned to shake down cruises, and an eventual deployment to the Med.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:50 PM
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OK. I got a new lead to the mysterious John Sireson(sp?).. I'm really excited about this!

I've just found out, from a huge article (in Russian) at some forum, some important info on John Sireson.

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First of all, the article mentions some important article in some magazine called "Cries" (sp?) or something (tr: [KRAIS]) and the name has "Columbus" in brackets, denoting, perhaps, the name of the press; from September, 1987. Someone should check out an archive of this magazine to get something out of it! The article's called "UFOs in Antarctica". So it was written by Leonard Stringfield. This Stringfield writer actually interviewed one of the pilots of Byrd's expedition - JOHN SIRESON(!!!).

John was a polar pilot during WWII, then he served in the assault squadron, based in Alaska (more precicely Aleut (en.wikipedia.org...)), which air-raided Japanese targets on the Kuril Islands.

John's experience was the thing that Byrd had been looking for. So he [Byrd] assigned John to go and accomplish a difficult mission in Antarctica.

Sireson recalls, that he was onboard the Casablanca (Aircraft Carrier (and that's a match to the video documentary(!)). The Casablance had 6 S-46 helicopters, 5 F-4U "Corsairs", 5 air-assault fighters(?(dunno how they're called these types of planes)) A-21 "Vampires", 9 bombarders "Helldiver", the commander's aircraft "Tigercat" and 5 XF-5Us "Skimmers".

Though the Skimmers part is highly improbable, as at that time, 1947, there were only 2 prototypes of the Skimmer and these were in the US.
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That's it... there's lots there, but I still can't find the destroyers mentioned in the video. Will keep on looking and informing you all as i come up on something!

Hope this helps! Peace!



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:07 PM
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The USS Casablanca? What?
The Casablanca was already decommissioned by the time they sailed. The Hollandia and Windham Bay were decommissioned to reserve in Jan of 1947, they were the last of the Casablanca Class carriers to be decommissioned. Several of them were reactivated in the 1950s, but they were out of service by Jan of 47, until then. One Casablanca Class underwent extensive modifications and became an Amphibious Transport, several others were modified and used by civilian crews with the Maritime Command, the rest were scrapped in 1959.

As for the aircraft, the XF-5U only had two built, and neither flew. I can't find ANYTHING on an A-21 though.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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So did this thread just become the Operation High Jump Headquarters thread?



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:19 PM
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OK! Got some more stuff for you!

From the same article (we definately need to get it!):

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The pilot [J.Sireson(sp?)] described their first month in the waters around Antarctica. On the 26th of February he mentioned the destruction of Murdock (SP?!).

The losses after their fight with the saucers were as follows:

-- 1 ship (it says ship, destroyer or not, idk)
-- 9 planes (of which 3 skimmers)
-- >40 crew members, including Cpt. Sirus Lafargue(?Sp tr:[lafarg])

On the next day, John reports, Byrd, along with his pilot and navitator, went on a mini-recon mission in his two-engined "Tigercat", and had never been seen since then.

When Washington received the report, Adm. Stark(sp?) was ordered to stop the expedition, without any radio notifications, and to depart for the the US without stopping at any military ports.

The results of the expedition were classified as top-secret. All the members of the expedition were forced to sign tons of papers 'keeping-your-mouth-shut' style.

Then, the Savanna newspaper called the "Adventurer" and some Chicago press released some info back then. No more information is given.
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OK, we got some new surnames and names to look up and verify! The most important lead is that magazine i mentioned above!

Good Luck!

[edit on 28/5/07 by MastaG]



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:30 PM
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I'm calling BS on this article. There are many holes in it.

As you and I both stated, there were only two "Skimmers" neither of which ever flew. So how could there have been 5 on there, with three being lost?

Byrd was seen AFTER Highjump, and in fact later commanded ANOTHER mission to Antarctica in 1955. He left there in 1956, and died in 1957. So if he was never seen again, how did the US Navy send him back in 1955 for Operation Deep Freeze I?



On January 5th the GLACIER (RADM R. E. Byrd embarked) arrived McMurdo Sound from Little America and off loaded a bridge by which to span a crack which was made off Cape Royds. During the evening the bridge was erected and the WYANDOT brought into the channel. In the morning (Jan. 6th) she began off-loading the mobile equipment to be used in transportation of materials to Cape Evans.

www.history.navy.mil...



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cydonian Priest
So did this thread just become the Operation High Jump Headquarters thread?


Ummmm title of thread...
Russian Film Admiral Byrd fighting Saucers DOH!!!


But this is just a side thread for translating a couple Russian videos... and so far its providing interesting leads to follow
even though the thread busters are already working their charm before its done



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:35 PM
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Yeah, you're right Zorgon. We should just shut up and accept everything you guys say as the truth, instead of demanding evidence to back it up.
Terribly rude of me to do that.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yeah, you're right Zorgon. We should just shut up and accept everything you guys say as the truth, instead of demanding evidence to back it up.
Terribly rude of me to do that.


LOL yuppers it is


But so far all that is being done is translating to see what it says... I do not see any claims that it is all true... We won't KNOW that until we know what they say and can check up on it


Originally posted by Cydonian Priest
The craft that accompanied Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd are as followed: Aircraft Carrier Philippine Sea with 6 RFD (C-47) planes, 2 Piper Cubs and a helicopter. The icebreaker Northwind and submarine Sennet with 6 Martin PBM flying boats.


I think you missed a few?? :shk:

Operation High Jump


"The Navy strongly discounted reports that the voyage will be primarily a lap in the race for uranium. When this expedition was first talked about, uranium wasn't even mentioned. The statement that this is a uranium race for atomic energy is not correct .However, the basic objectives were not diplomatic, scientific or economic -- they were military."
- Admiral Byrd


[edit on 28-5-2007 by zorgon]



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yeah, you're right Zorgon. We should just shut up and accept everything you guys say as the truth, instead of demanding evidence to back it up.
Terribly rude of me to do that.


You could always just go to the 9/11 threads and argue with them, plenty of BS there.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Cydonian Priest
The craft that accompanied Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd are as followed: Aircraft Carrier Philippine Sea with 6 RFD (C-47) planes, 2 Piper Cubs and a helicopter. The icebreaker Northwind and submarine Sennet with 6 Martin PBM flying boats.


I think you missed a few?? :shk:

Operation High Jump


Oh I know I did, But time was of the essence! I had to cut it off short as my pizza was done in the microwave and I was hungry



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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Damn, this really is frustrating... All what the Russian side of the internet has is 4 results relating to Sireson - 3 of them same, the 4th one has some additional info on the expedition fleet that went on before Byrd...

Anyways, guys, I'm just translating and searching the Russian side of the net for clues... I've done a check up on Stringfield - he is a famous UFOlogist as you already know,.. but Google doesn't give any connection between Stringfield and High Jump.

I wonder where the heck does Russia get this information? Even if they have faked it, for what did they [Russian Gov?] do it? This is another important question to discuss: the possibility of this being all fake. It's either US doing a good job hiding everything, which is highly improbable; or Russia having invented everything in order to... IDK!... any ideas?

It is 2 in the morning here, but I'm so into this thing right now that I think I'll translate another 5 minutes of the video... will make contact
...

[edit on 28/5/07 by MastaG]

[edit on 28/5/07 by MastaG]



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by MastaG
I wonder where the heck does Russia get this information? Even if they have faked it, for what did they [Russian Gov?] do it?


That is the reason I originally wanted a translation. Just WHAT info do they have and WHERE did it come from... and IF it is faked, WHY? What purpose would it serve now? (This was released in 2006) even a fake has to have a reason




It is 2 in the morning here, but I'm so into this thing right now that I think I'll translate another 5 minutes of the video... will make contact
...


LOL Forget about sleep... once your hooked you won't get any
But thanks for the work. I will see what I can do about that magazine you mentioned



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:58 PM
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MastaG you should try getting a hold of the book Arktos, it talks alot about the arctic region and voyages sent tere.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by MastaG
I wonder where the heck does Russia get this information? Even if they have faked it, for what did they [Russian Gov?] do it? This is another important question to discuss: the possibility of this being all fake. It's either US doing a good job hiding everything, which is highly improbable; or Russia having invented everything in order to... IDK!... any ideas?


It doesn't necessarily have to be the gov though. I'm sure they have hoaxers there too that could be faking things.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 03:08 PM
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Btw, this is the website I used for my last few posts. You can do a Google translation just to check if something else is wrong.

www.gerhardt.com.ua...


And, I will try to contact the director of the documentary to discuss the issues mentioned here.

**** Edit: Added ****

The rest of the video is not connected to Byrd and his expedition. Translating it will only arouse more questions and unclarities. I haven't yet watched it to the end, but if something pops up concerning Byrd - I'll let you all know.

So basically, we're left with a lot of unknown stuff that we need to work upon...

Peace.


[edit on 28/5/07 by MastaG]



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