Outrage Over Children Reciting The Pledge Of Allegiance To The Mexican Flag

Originally posted by Waiting2awake
But Bush calls the constitution itself a "god damn peice of paper", and he is still considered OK???

For lack of proffessionality, Hell no he is'nt Ok for saying that.
That to me is one of the worst things to say, and honestly I think he
should be tried for treason just on that, even if there are alot of other
things he should be tried for treason on as well.

The problem is, we can't do alot about it right this second, but when
it comes to stuff like this, with schools and local level politics, we can
do something about it pretty quickly.


EDIT:
Spelling.

[edit on 10/20/2006 by iori_komei]

Maybe if you took some pride in your flag and your county, then you wouldn't have the problems you do. Seems like all the radicals are converging in your country...I wonder why?

I didnt even read this entire thread before posting. This is disgusting and I find it to be a slap in the face of every American. I pledge alleigence to the flag for what I believe this United States stands for. Our government may suck, but I have alleigence for my country and for what it stands for!

The desicion makers of that school need to be mad an example out of and fired.

Shots for once we agree...

Originally posted by Strodyn
Well over here in the UK we havent been brainwashed from birth into 'worshipping' a flag, so I doubt anyone from here gives two hoots.

Speak for the UK do you? Luckily for me I am Welsh, not British.

Cymru Am Byth

And I would die for that piece of cloth.


McP.

This was not a case of attempting to get children to pledge some sort of allegiance to Mexico and their values. It was a CULTRUAL awareness event ... it was more like hey kids, you know how you saw the pledge of allegiance every morning ... well here is how they do that in Mexico.

Nothing wrong with that period. If as some have said they should speak only ENGLISH in our schools ... I guess teaching foreign languages should be discontinued ... after all when you travel abroad you just need to force theses heathens from other places to speak our language.

What if they were showing kids something the French children do in their school houses? Would that be totally wrong and horrible? I believe it's good for children to be exposed to other cultures and values ... actually some adults could use a little bit of cultural understanding. It's not always bad or wrong ... sometimes it's just different.

But Bush calls the constitution itself a "god damn peice of paper", and he is still considered OK???

Could someone provide a reliable source to this? I've done some searching and all I come back with is people saying he said it, and people saying it's BS, but not an actual transcript of the statement.

If this was simply a cultural awareness act, then I don't see any problem with it. If this was an actual encouragement of students to recite a pledge of allegiance to the Mexican flag, then the perpetrators should be shot. Ok... maybe not shot.. they should... uhm... be forced to eat a bowl full of Krusty-O's.

Anyway... I can only go on others' responses in this thread as to the contents of the videos. I would have to boot into Windows to watch them, and frankly... it's just not worth the price.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I didnt even read this entire thread before posting. This is disgusting and I find it to be a slap in the face of every American. I pledge alleigence to the flag for what I believe this United States stands for. Our government may suck, but I have alleigence for my country and for what it stands for!

The desicion makers of that school need to be mad an example out of and fired.

Shots for once we agree...

What i find disgusting is that we take the planet earth and we devide it into different parts and give those parts names and atributes flags to them.

Don't you think this kind of idealogy is bow to produce wars in our reality?

It's not america, it's not canada, it's not england, it's not china, it's not mexico, it's not japan, it's not russia, it's not australia.... etc.......

It's the planet earth.....


Ps: LoneGunMan i respect you highly and i hope you take no offense to my statement.


peace.

In a lot of countries on earth you would be shot on sight for even attempting a stunt
like this.
Why do western countries have to put up with this type of rubbish?
Shoulnt people be trying to force monoculture countries about diversity and tolerance?
I think the west bends over backwards enough as it is.
we dont need any more education on it. But a lot of other countries DO.
If we dont bring the rest of the world up to speed to where WE are at, then how the
hell are we supposed to end racism, intolerance, etc when its okay for the rest of the world to think their countries and cultures are so superior and pure, while ours get
diluted by the day. I dont mind this "one world" ideal, but it only seems to be the
West that is being forced to subscribe to it.

Equality for all EVERYWHERE or forget it.

It looks like they are learning about the country, since the lady is dressed in what looks to be traditional Mexican garb. Also, the "pledge" video is not the pledge.. And she is not facing a flag, her hand is not over her heart (no one else either), and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have to read from a script if it was the pledge. Nothing bad going on here.

Originally posted by myowncrusade
So what exactly does "pledge allegiance" mean?

Well, I understand your thinking here as I never gave it any thought as a child in school and always recited the pledge. It wasnt until I was older that I realised what I was doing.

I dont like that the schools dont explain to children from an early age that when you pledge allegiance it means you are pledging your loyalties to your country. They need to break down the pledge and have a series of lessons over its meaning.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag(symbolic of your country) of the United States of America and to the republic, for which it stands" -this is pledging loyalty to your country, dont get caught up or get to literal about pledging anything to the flag itself. It just means you will pay your respect to the flag and not "worship" it as some call it. Also the clause "and to the republic for which it stands" means to the country itself.

"One nation, under God, indeviseable, with liberty and justice for all" - I think that is pretty straight forward so I wont go into an explanation of that.

I myself am outraged by this, but it does not completely surprise me. Pledging allegiance to a flag is a symbol of allegiance to your country and anyone who interprets out pledge of allegiance would agree. The only bit of conspiring I see that could have happen was perhaps the people in that school were demonstrating the Texas is rightfully Mexico’s which by historical reference is true. If that was their point then it is protected by the constitution ( and no not George Bush’s Constitution) to peacefully assemble and protest, although even in that case it would not be protected because your constitutional rights are not protected in schools (learned that the hard way; no right to bear arms, freedom to assemble, freedom of speech, freedom of press or various other ones), so overall this act of Treason (simply in my opinion) is not only wrong, but illegal, and I hope some sort of action is taken. We don’t want the U.S. to become Israel and Mexico to become Palestine in a sense. I will be happy to read more from you people and this little theory of the reason this happened probably will not be covered by our “government controlled media” Peace, Love, and Drugs to all.. HA HA HA

"You can never prove anything completely with facts, but one opposing fact disproves it. (Rhetoric 101)"

Another missinformation title that makes one jump the gun.

IF these children were saying the equivalent in Spanish to their flag, on their Independence day, I dont see the big problem.

I thought (jumping to conclusions again) these children were saying the pledge of allegiance to their flag INSTEAD of ours.

Sorry...move along.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by iori_komei
Ok, I'm a bit confused, were they preciting the pledge of allegiance in
Spanish, or were they pledging there allegiance ot Mexico, or some
other mixture?

Iori, They (facilitators and teachers, NOT children) were reciting the MEXICAN pledge on Mexican Independence Day at an assembly to honor diversity. They were basically saying -- This is what Mexicans do to their flag, much the way we say our pledge and here's what it sounds like...

It's no big deal as far as I can see. It's like celebrating Cinco De Mayo or having green beer on St. Paddy's Day. People need to chill.

I hate "Diversity Day", too.

Thank you for clarifying, BH.

by selfless

What i find disgusting is that we take the planet earth and we devide it into different parts and give those parts names and atributes flags to them.

Don't you think this kind of idealogy is bow to produce wars in our reality?

It's not america, it's not canada, it's not england, it's not china, it's not mexico, it's not japan, it's not russia, it's not australia.... etc.......

It's the planet earth.....

Unfortunately selfless we don't live in a world of Utopia. It is America, it is Canada, it is England, and many people died to have the freedoms we have today. I feel very sorry for people like u that don't have a sense of pride for their country. This attitude generally stems from people that have been given everything in their lives. Please don't take this the wrong way selfless, but Utopian socialism doesn't and will never work. Good fences make good neighbors.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Another missinformation title that makes one jump the gun.

DG Just for your information the orginal title read "Parents Outraged Over Children Reciting The Pledge Of Alliance To The Mexican Flag In US School . I assume it was welcomeinpeace that changed it since his name is listed as the mod who eidited the orginial but I am not sure.

Just thought I would point that fact out since as it was written by me, there was clearly no miss information on my part.

[edit on 10/21/2006 by shots]

Originally posted by MrMedic

Unfortunately selfless we don't live in a world of Utopia. It is America, it is Canada, it is England, and many people died to have the freedoms we have today. I feel very sorry for people like u that don't have a sense of pride for their country

Im sorry but , it's a state of mind.

I am in this reality and i do not let others think for my self and that includes the government.

Just because i exist in this reality does not mean i will follow the system.

And yes this world is a utopia if you let it be one, don't let the concepts of others dictate your way of thinking.

Pride in my country? i don't have pride in anything, it leads to ego and that leads to big problems. I guess however i do have gratitude for experiencing this reality.

As for the people who died in war well, i have more respect for the people that didn't go to war then those who went to war, that's the true way to acheive peace.

Originally posted by shots
the orginal title read "Parents Outraged Over Children Reciting The Pledge Of Alliance To The Mexican Flag In US School .
...
there was clearly no miss information on my part.

But the children didn't recite the pledge of Allegiance to the Mexican flag.

1. The children didn't recite it.
2. There was no Mexican flag as the teachers read the Mexican pledge.

I'm fairly sure neither title is accurate.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

1. The children didn't recite it.
2. There was no Mexican flag as the teachers read the Mexican pledge.

I'm fairly sure neither title is accurate.

1. Download the pledge video and listen to it several times at around .05 seconds you can clearly hear other individuals (in the background who were not on camera). Were they children I am not sure, however one male voice did sound young to me.

2. The room was full of Mexican flags. Download the first video showing all the children waving them. Was there a full size Mexican flag? I do not know but am willing to bet there may very well have been, unfortunately we may never know the answer to that one, but that will not negate the fact the room was full of smaller flags.

3. Several Parents were outraged. That is a fact; see original and secondary link which contain quotes from parents.

Personally I think they could very well have accomplished the same in the homerooms, if they still have them in schools these days, or perhaps they could have mentioned it during social studies.

I also find it odd that no one has mentioned the fact they were all reading their pledge or shall we say alleged pledge from a script. (I am sorry if someone did mention it if you did I did not see it). I just wanted to point that one fact out, because we all know most Americans can recite ours from our memory.

Edit:

Just thought of one more thing. Since it was an Americaqn School why were they speaking Spanish rather then English? I mean they certainly could have accomplished the very same by saying it in English couldn't they? Now I do not know about others but I take using their own language as yet another political statement by refusing to speak English as they should in the US.


[edit on 10/21/2006 by shots]

Personally I love the ignorance some people have when it comes to people pledging their allegiance to a flag and label it "worshiping" ... right we worship the flag god.

As for the actual event, who ever led the assembly should be charged with treason and the principle should be forced to do community service.. like standing out side of the courthouse or something and recite the pledge repeatedly..

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I didnt even read this entire thread before posting. This is disgusting and I find it to be a slap in the face of every American. I pledge alleigence to the flag for what I believe this United States stands for. Our government may suck, but I have alleigence for my country and for what it stands for!

The desicion makers of that school need to be mad an example out of and fired.

Shots for once we agree...

What i find disgusting is that we take the planet earth and we devide it into different parts and give those parts names and atributes flags to them.

Don't you think this kind of idealogy is bow to produce wars in our reality?

It's not america, it's not canada, it's not england, it's not china, it's not mexico, it's not japan, it's not russia, it's not australia.... etc.......

It's the planet earth.....


Ps: LoneGunMan i respect you highly and i hope you take no offense to my statement.


peace.

Well Earth bother...

You can go on thinking your a ...earthian? .. earthite? ... earthen? ... I am an American, you will never get rid of the divisions between cultures, your idea is great if say... we where not human.