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Outrage Over Children Reciting The Pledge Of Allegiance To The Mexican Flag

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posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 11:07 AM
Recently several parents of students attending the Velasco Elementary School in Freeport TX were outraged to find out that their children had been asked to Pledge of Allegiance to the Mexican Flag in the school. At that, time school officials denied that the incident took place, however, since then Radio station KTRH in Houston has managed to obtain videos from the school district under Texas open records laws, which show the event, did in fact take place.
A radio station in Houston has posted on its website two video clips of a Texas elementary school "diversity" assembly where a volunteer leads students in saying a pledge of allegiance to the Mexican flag.

Station KTRH has posted both a video clip showing elementary students cheering and waving Mexican flags, and a separate clip showing people the school described as volunteers leading students in the pledge in Spanish.

The story by Scott Braddock of KTRH notes that "whether students also recited the Mexican pledge remains a point of contention," however the audio clearly indicates that students are reciting the pledge along with the volunteer leader, because their voices can be heard finishing the final phrase well after the volunteer has finished.


KTRH, which broke the story when the assembly was held a month ago, said it obtained the video from the school district under Texas open records laws.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Video One - Children Waving Mexican Flags

Video Two - Volunteers Pledging Allegiance to Mexican Flag

Needless to say, the school principal has now admitted the event did take place and in hindsight wishes, he had never allowed it to happen.

I have to admit I am somewhat disgusted over this, however; rather then give my personal opinions, I would like to ask US members of ATS and Non-US members how would you feel if individuals from other countries went into your schools and asked your children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to any flag other then your own? I would also like to know if you think this could have been handled in another way given the fact this happened on Mexican Independence Day?

Related News Links:

[edit on 2006-10-20 by wecomeinpeace]

[edit on 10/20/2006 by shots]

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 11:55 AM
Well over here in the UK we havent been brainwashed from birth into 'worshipping' a flag, so I doubt anyone from here gives two hoots. At the end of the day it is a bit of cloth, and any argument that it is the ideology that is being worshipped can be countered by many many significant contradictions to that ideology by the 'establishment'.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:16 PM
well, here in Australia we are pretty proud of our flag.
(which incidentally has the union jack in the corner

If that were to happen in an australian school, I'm sure there would be
an outrage. As we also focus on INTEGRATION. I dont know what purpose making
children swearing allegiance to countrys flag when they dont live there , is meant
to achieve.
I'm sure mexicans would be equally upset if their kids were forced to swear allegiance
to belgium and its flag on a hypothetical BELGIUM INDEPENDENCE DAY too.
To promote DIVERSITY.

If the shoe was on the foot, would mexicans be outraged and upset?
Or course, they would.


posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:23 PM
A national flag is a symbol for the nation itself. Pledging allegiance to a flag is a pledge of allegiance to the nation it represents.

Check your passport, but I'm pretty sure pledging allegiance to another nation is one way to cast away your citizenship.

Pretty serious deal in my opinion. Everyone who organized this should be fired.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:23 PM
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...There is no mexico in that. If you want to be part of that country, go back, otherwise you fly the flag in your own yard, or hang it in your house to remember where you came from. This is political correctness gone too far.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:28 PM
Here in the UK I am actually horrifeid that the teachers involved were not fired without any pensions and / or severance pay. To pledge alliegance to another countries flag or to make others do so from a position of authority is beyond belief - Your flag IS your country. No country, no flag and vica versa.

Its like the teachers here in the UK trying to get people to pledge alliegence to the pakistani flag - sure the immigrants would like it, but i'd expect bloody mayhem from real British people.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:49 PM
Disgusting - most definately an Outrage: Outrageo says so!

Even if at was in a UK school, and some UKers 'didn't give a hoot", I would never, ever condone a foreigner pledging any allegiance to a home country's symol of sovereignty. Even as a foreigner myself, I would defend to the death your own honor to not be insulted, indeed blasphemed, in this way - even if you and some of your own countrymen "don't give a hoot".

I wonder if your hooting position would adjust slightly if, say a group of Pakistani children in a UK school decided to insult the Queen Mother by pledging allegiance to their homeland rather than dignify your sovereignty.

My position is: foreigners should acclimate and consider themselves fortunate - they usually arrive on your shores by choice. So show some respect, damnit, or GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE! and go back to the backward, corrupt, cesspool swillwater you crawled out from...

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:08 PM
My God, people will make something out of nothing all for the sake of predjudism.
No where did I see them making a pledge of allegiance to any Mexican flag.

Lets throw them all into Guantanamo anyways though just to be on the safe side.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:13 PM

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
My God, people will make something out of nothing all for the sake of predjudism.
No where did I see them making a pledge of allegiance to any Mexican flag.

Did you watch BOTH Videos? I will give you the video showing the pledge again

Video Two - Volunteers Pledging Allegiance to Mexican Flag

[edit on 10/20/2006 by shots]

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:18 PM
Shots, the link for the source is from where? Worldnetdaily? Since when is this credible without other sources. And volunteers are allowed to have allegence to anything they want - they are volunteers. Unless your point is that no one, anywhere in the US, can pledge allegence to anything other than the USA, regardless of situation?

Is that what you are saying?

There is nothing here other than another strawman. No issue, not problem. File it between 94 year old lady gives birth to alien twins, and Lalama, the half boy-half lama kid from puru that lives of a diet of insects and rasberrys.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:24 PM
I watched the video and saw nothing wrong. Yes they recited the Mexican version of the pledge of allegiance. It was very obviously something that was being done to show the kids what children do in other parts of the world. This is not something they are being asked to do everyday ... they were not actually pledging an allegiance to Mexico or its flag. What's wrong with school children seeing how other cultures function and comparing the differences between here and there.

It sounds like a lot of patriotic people blew this way out of proportion. God forbid we expose our children to the culturally diverse world and let them have an open mind regarding other people, races and cultures.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:27 PM
Wait, wait, wait... Are they saying A pledge to the Mexican flag at a special assembly on "diversity day" as a one-time thing? Or are they saying THE Pledge of Allegiance (The US one) to the Mexican flag?

Because if they're having a happy little "Diversity Day" assembly and reciting a bunch of words in Spanish to the Mexican flag out of respect for diversity, I don't have a problem with it. If they're reciting the US Pledge to the Mexican flag (which would make no sense at all), then I might have a problem.

I didn't see them pledging to any flag myself...

As regards the kids waving flags, I say don't let the visual tweak your emotions too much. Give kids flags with Barney or Hitler or a pile of crap on them and they'll wave them. I don't think that means anything at all.

I do have a problem with "Diversity Day" but that's another issue.

Any Spanish speakers can tell us what they're saying?

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Waiting2awake
Shots, the link for the source is from where? Worldnetdaily? Since when is this credible without other sources.

The links are direct links to WTRH a Radio station in Houston and not those of WND. If you want other sources check Related News Links: at the bottom of the first post.

or if you prefer here is yet another

Texas tots rise for Mexican pledge of allegiance

[edit on 10/20/2006 by shots]

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:42 PM
I don't see the problem here. In sporting events the national anthems of the countries involved are performed and people stand for them. Say an Ottawa Sens vs the Buffalo Sabres. People honour both anthems and flags. So where's the problem?

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:43 PM

Originally posted by shots

Did you watch BOTH Videos? I will give you the video showing the pledge again

Video Two - Volunteers Pledging Allegiance to Mexican Flag

[edit on 10/20/2006 by shots]

Yep watched them both...saw children in a school learning about another culture that is probably predominant in the area. If the Mexican pledge of allegiance was so ingrained in these peoples minds, then I wonder why they needed a paper to recite it from.

Its rags like this Worldnetdaily thats making you look ignorant, making Americans look ignorant, making America look ignorant. They post idiotic articles to get your mind off the important things that matter in this country that their buddies are getting away with.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:45 PM
Shots, there is nothing serious in any of those links though. It is volunteer right? None were forced to do it, and the children didn't do it. It was to bring the overwhelmingly mexican-american population closer to the middle, as should be the cause right?

This really looks like a none issue that was built up so WND could sell some advertising.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:46 PM
So, the kids heard (didn't recite) the Mexican Pledge on Mexican Independence Day in a school that prides itself on its "diversity". They sang songs and I bet there was cake.

I don't get the outrage. Can someone explain?

ThePieMaN - It doesn't really help to question or attack the source. That's a habit I'd like to see go away. The story is obviously true. We just need to find out exactly what the story IS.

[edit on 20-10-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:56 PM
IF pie man is right and they weren't reciting the mexiacan pledge of allegience then not too much harm done although it is still improprietus.

However, if those kids were reciting the mexican pledge of allegience at a US school than those teachers and anyone involved in coordinating the event should be investigated and punished if a crime was commited.

I personaly think that you should get your citizenship revoked and deported immediatly from the country if you start pledging allegience to different countries other than your own. It should be treason and punishable to some extent.

The Principal should have been fired by the govenor of texas immediatly and maybe a few top school brass just to nail the point home.The guy who was teaching the mexican pledge to US citizens, was knowingly trying to subvert the kids minds even if subtley so and did so knowingly in my opinion. He should be punished the worst of all.

Someone should tell him that this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and NOT the mythical land of Atzlan, which mexican patriots are using as an excuse to invade and take over the southern US. Sorry if I seem a little peeved about this but I live in Los Angeles where this is becoming a real problem, LA is becoming Tiajuana slowly thanks to this insidious adgenda. Even the LA mayor Antonio Villagrosa is getting caught lecturing at these pro Atzlan rallys, talking about how the Mexicans will conquer the southern US because it is their destiny due to Atzlan. He even said that Latinos should not worry, they will win this battle because-NO Joke,he literally said this-They have more babies and will out populate the white population,and then he incouraged them to have as many babies as possible for the cause. Makes me sick. I see more mexican flags being waved from cars and buildings here than US flags on some days.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 03:57 PM
They should be fired for pledging allegiance to any country. Its nothing more than brainwashing and thats something anyone shouldn't want their child subjected to, whether its Robo-patriotism or religious.

Talk about an over reaction.

posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 05:58 PM
Pledging to false realities, were one lie is no better than another

The story and comments in this thread reflect a grand case of hypocrisy, were US consumers are all fine with exploiting slave labor as long as the slaves keep quiet, show no pride, and don't promote their own brands of propaganda. We have come to see that blind obedience is more important than thinking, even if this obedience means lying to ourselves, projecting blame and fomenting more hate and division.

The reality still is that people's actions speak louder than any words that they are forced to parrot, and if the Pledge of Allegiance was actually based on our current state of affairs it would read:

I pledge allegiance to corporate kleptocracy of the divided states of America for which it will fall, one nation under mammon, dividable, with slavery and usury for all.

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