posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:31 PM
Wow, great posts here full of wisdom, experience and compassion. Ed LF and Galloping, your posts especially touched me. Ed, I, too believe it was
Great Spirit who intervened and I'm sure glad you're still here.
Chissler in answer to your question: Yes, I do believe without fail that depression is the cause. Why? Because it's completely unnatural for a person
to want to commit suicide and there must be some kind of mental illness involved, which would be depression. Even suicide bombers, look at their
living conditions, oppression, hunger, poverty until they become desperate and hopeless. Hopelessness is at the heart of depression.
Here are some symptoms of depression, from the DSM-IV book. You can Google "DSM-IV + depression" and get lots of info, there's alot of good info on
Here they are:
Criteria for Major Depressive Episode
A. Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same
2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least
one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or
(1) depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by
others (e.g., appears tearful).
(2) markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either
subjective account or observation made by others)
(3) significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month), or decrease or increase in
appetite nearly every day.
NOTE: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains.
(4) insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day
(5) psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings of restlessness or being slowed
(6) fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day
(7) feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt
about being sick)
(8) diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either by subjective account or as observed by others)
(9) recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific
plan for committing suicide
B. The symptoms do not meet criteria for a Mixed Episode.
C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social,
occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance
(e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g.,
E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by Bereavement, i.e., after the
loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are
characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with
worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor
To this list I would also add:
- irritability; extreme anger
PLEASE if you know someone who may have depression or if you suspect yourself as being so, please consult a good psychiatrist or at least a GP who has
experience and knowledge of depression. Also be aware that these symptoms are for major depression, there is also mild depression which can be
debilitating but is much more easily treated. I know that psychiatrists and anti-depressants are not popular; but someone who has been down this road
and recovered can tell you that a good doc and meds are the way to recover, herbs, exercise etc. will not alone work for major depression. Alot of the
anti-psych and meds attitude is due to stereotyping, lack of information, bias and denial, most of which comes from people who've never had to deal
with depression. Find a doc your are comfortable with, you need to be diagnosed and given medication. Welbutrin is one that has absolutely no side
effects for the vast majority of people.
As a therapist, fjor 15 years I worked with alot of depressives and I myself had major depression for years with frequent suicidal ideation also for
years. I can tell you that it's a trip through hell and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Imagine living with absolutely no ability to feel good, be
happy or feel joy. Ever. If you suspect yourself or someone you know may have serious depression, find a good doc who will work with you to find meds
that work for you. You may be saving their or your life. If this information saves even one life, I will be very grateful. If anyone has questions,
U2U me and I will be more than happy to answer them. I will not make diagnoses however, I would need to see you in the physical to accurately assess.
Therapy is also helpful, but it will not cure major depression by itself. Hope this info is helpful.