Lockheeds f-19 stealth fighter

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posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 04:50 AM
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I found a model kit in a toystore magezin. with says lockheed F-19 stealth fighter. What about this plane does it really exist or is doesn't it. Need some info on this plane and specifics.




posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 04:53 AM
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Well go and google it yourself then, then come back and inform us.

We aren't slaves. Do some work for yourself. This is a community forum thats main motto is to Deny Ignorance. You being lazy is you being ignorant.



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 04:56 AM
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F-19 - No such animal. It is officially undocumented, but generally assumed that the F-19 designation was skipped in 1982 in order to honor the Northrop F-20 (qv) with an even "next-generation" number.

Striving to keep pace with technology, Testors hit the market with an F-19 kit based on eyewitness reports from "usually reliable sources," research, gut level guesswork, and patterned it after the smooth-surfaced Lockheed SR-71. By May 1986 their kit was on hobby shop shelves and nearly 700,000 were sold in 18 months. However, somebody had pulled a plug in the Pentagon.

Stealth technology at the time was one of our military's worst-kept secrets, and it was assumed that F-19 had been reserved for that department. There was so much speculation that the USAF, with uncommon humor, even roped off a vacant plot at the 1988 Edwards AFB Air Show with a sign identifying the "F-19 Flying Frisbee." But when the much-heralded stealth fighter was designated F-117A and was anything but smooth, the F-19 idea lost most of its lustre, and folks generally accepted that the designation had been purposely skipped when F-20 showed up.

Yet, much like with those little green men they scraped off the Roswell landscape, folklore and wishful thinking took hold, and there came many reports from "usually reliable sources" who saw the real Testors F-19 flying around in remote desert regions usually off-limits to reliable sources. (Because of the popularity of the designation, the USAF Museum's Internet page lists a "Lockheed F-19 CSIRS," but its link connects the F-117A.).



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 04:58 AM
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posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 05:01 AM
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www.csd.uwo.ca...



"F-19"

More at web page...

This still leaves the question of the missing F-19 unresolved. Perhaps it really is the designation of some other super-secret project, so black that it will not be revealed for many years. Maybe the mysterious "Aurora" that is the subject of so much gossip, rumor, and speculation in this group is designated F-19. However, it is still not at all certain that any such aircraft as the "Aurora" actually exists. Maybe it will turn out that the Air Force had been telling the truth all along, that there never was an aircraft known as F-19. Perhaps all of this confusion was part of a deliberate plot by the Air Force to confuse Soviet intelligence--hoodwinking them into expending so much effort in trying to find out information about a plane that does not exist.

Source:
Lockheed F-117: The Black Jet, Robert F. Dorr, World Airpower Journal, Winter 1994.



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 07:26 AM
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There is no Lockheed F-19... Maybe in sketchpads, or wind tunnel models, but not in reality....



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 07:42 AM
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Those models appear to have more in common with a fighter version of the Aurora. However, they're also not too far off the YF-23 Black Widow.




posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 01:44 PM
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The F-19 was the rumored designation for the F-117 before it was revealed for the public



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 02:18 PM
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Regarding the YF-23.....

Dang! You gotta love living in a country where the LOSING design still would have kicked the competitions a$$.

Black Widow was a sweet design. Lock-Mart bought the vote!



posted on Nov, 10 2003 @ 09:53 PM
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Actually, there are reports that suggest at one point, the F-19 did exist. Some say it was a product of Have Blue, an earlier version of the Stealth Fighter. Apparently the F-117A was favored, perhaps because the F-19 was too advanced?

I am not saying this with any certainty. But reports have suggested there were predecessors to the F-117A and aircraft even more advanced than it.



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Actually, there are reports that suggest at one point, the F-19 did exist. Some say it was a product of Have Blue, an earlier version of the Stealth Fighter. Apparently the F-117A was favored, perhaps because the F-19 was too advanced?

I am not saying this with any certainty. But reports have suggested there were predecessors to the F-117A and aircraft even more advanced than it.


Maybe it was a similar thing to the F-22/ YF-23 battle where one design won out. Except the F117 won out over the F19. Only it was kept more Top secret so the public never knew there was a competition. The F117 would have been chosen years before the general public even knew it existed.

[Edited on 11-11-2003 by greenkoolaid]



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 03:31 AM
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There were a number of rivals to the F-117; including one aircraft that had rounded edges in a different radar-scattering philosophy (ie minimise radar returns in all directions), although development never for that never went very far.



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 06:54 AM
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Being that this designation first appered during the cold war, I've alwase thought that it may have been applied to a super secret stealth interceptor intended to protect the continental US from a Soviet bomber or cruise missile attack. What became of this plane? Your guess is as good as mine. That's my theory. But considering that in the US Politics often overrules common scense, who knows?

Tim



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 09:14 AM
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that the russian stealth technology (yes , there was one and maybe there are more that we don't know about) was based on a special "paint" that could absorb different sorts of radiation(like radiowaves from a radar).
There were two test planes a mig-23 and a mig-29
( the technology has been applied to the tu-160 too but only in some parts of the plane)which showed it works and at that time the modified mig-23 could beat the f-15 in longrange missilefight which the normal one can't do.
The programm suffered under the stupid ussr bureaucracy that time.
I think the usa is also developing such technologies they don't need an edgy aircraft to be stealth.



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 09:18 AM
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I think we use that paint already in a variety of things



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by vorazechul
that the russian stealth technology (yes , there was one and maybe there are more that we don't know about) was based on a special "paint" that could absorb different sorts of radiation(like radiowaves from a radar).
There were two test planes a mig-23 and a mig-29
( the technology has been applied to the tu-160 too but only in some parts of the plane)which showed it works and at that time the modified mig-23 could beat the f-15 in longrange missilefight which the normal one can't do.
The programm suffered under the stupid ussr bureaucracy that time.
I think the usa is also developing such technologies they don't need an edgy aircraft to be stealth.


The "radar-absorbant paint" you are referring to can also describe every single stealthy American aircraft, including the SR-71. And paint alone is not enough; for passive cloaking to be effective you have to deflect the remaining radar radiation away from the receiver. The Mig-29's compressor faces, down the intakes, for example, are a beautiful radar reflector.

The paint the yanks use is apparently very toxic and the B-2's coat is mega-sensitive to rain, heat, bird droppings etc.



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lampyridae
There were a number of rivals to the F-117; including one aircraft that had rounded edges in a different radar-scattering philosophy (ie minimise radar returns in all directions), although development never for that never went very far.


Rounded edges on all sides? That sounds a lot like the "Frisbee," which is what the F-19 was called, as it was said to have no straight edges.

Could the aircraft you are referring to be the mysterious F-19?

[Edited on 11-11-2003 by sweatmonicaIdo]



posted on Nov, 11 2003 @ 05:45 PM
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For good stealth, you're talking paint, special hull materials, certain shaping, heat suppression, noise suppression, and electronic stealth as well....

Funny tidbit...a certain shade of pink is actually the best color for visual stealth, but nobody wants to fly a pink plane, hehe....(though at night, color really doesn't matter much)...



posted on Nov, 12 2003 @ 12:32 AM
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Hey I remember that Testors model before the aircraft was unveiled. I had the micro machines one too, it could land on an aircraft carrier you know


From what I've read and who I've talked to it sounds like the F-117 was the only program at the time (except Tacit Blue), at least that flew. I wouldn't be suprised if there is another program flying that is to replace them, but with the F-22 program it's hard to say. Before the F-117 was released we were flying that thing all over the place, including flying into Russia, so maybe some of these triangle sightings are the new program.

Concerning the stealth paint, I know someone who got to go inside the B-2 and got some briefings on the aircraft and missions in Afgahnistan. Apparently when the have to open up a service panel it takes 24 hours to seal the thing back up with special tapes and paint.



posted on Nov, 12 2003 @ 05:00 PM
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I do know that the usa have something similar like the special paintlike material that i was talking about but what i read was that "painted" with it a mig-29"s signature decreased with 13 decibels. Whish is supposed to give it big advanteges.( you know that stealth aircraft aint invisable ...only the distance in which the plane is spotted by a radar decreases)and 13 decibels reduses this distanse at a half...


This "paint" is suposed to be unexpensive and you can paint wnat ever plane you want and it will be twice as invisable as it was before.


And the tu-160 has some shielding on it's airintakes that is still secret...
And many other stealth enhancements





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