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posted on Nov, 24 2002 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ma-Ha-Bone My general rules are thus: If you think you know something, that is all the more reason to examine it further.
If you admit you may know nothing, you know more than you admit to knowing.

That sounds like something Socrates would think...He could lead anybody into self-contradiction, so he therefore believed that nobody really knew anything at all...But since Socrates already *knew* that he really knew nothing at all, that meant that he knew more than anybody else who never realized that they didn't know anything.


How many people here have questioned themselves lately?



[Edited on 25-11-2002 by MidnightDStroyer]




posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 11:27 AM
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i LOVE you william

come on people... the protocols of zionism? why don't you just go and say the halocaust is a hoax and officially go the full "i'm a retarded jew hater who will believe anything to hate jews" 9 yards



posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 01:16 PM
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The holocaust wasn't a hoax, I don't hate Jews. I guess you don't know how to read. If hatred, racial or religious played any part in historical research, it would necessarily be placed on the history of my own people, the Caucasian Christian. Clue in man, it's not about hate. Besides, what you suggest is the same as if someone were to say, I hate Nazis, and then you jump down their throat on the basis that they are implying that they hate all white people. Think about it. Learn to differentiate. To make it even simpler for you, I hate any members of any group that, through manipulation, threat, violence, deceit, treachery, and self righteousness, exert their will over others who are honest, peaceful, guileless, principled, and humble. I don't give a rats arse if the group is black, white, aliens, Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Freemasons, Unions, military, police, banks, NGO's, U.N., W.H.O., McDonalds, whatever!!! It is wrong, and I'll be damned if your labels are going to stop me from looking! If anything, as I said before, wherever you are 'encouraged' not to look, that is where a closer scrutiny should be applied. When fear stops an investigation, then their can be no justice. When fear tactics are applied to stop investigation you have to question why those tactics are being applied. The entire concept of any type of conspiracy, and investigation into it, is not just to accept the story as it is presented to you by conventional means, but to get in their and root around, dig up what you can, regardless of any consequence. If you are willing to generously apply labels without doing your own digging, why are you here?



posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 01:24 PM
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Ma-Ha...

Dude... relax and learn to notice sarcasm.




posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 01:31 PM
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I invented sarcasm. LOL



posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 05:53 PM
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jesus ma-ha why are you such a violent hate-filled person?



posted on Nov, 30 2002 @ 06:40 PM
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I'm a peaceful, loving, angry, frustrated person.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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The reason the CFR wants to bring America down, has already been
published in a book by a Russian professor called Sergyei A. Nilus in Russia
in 1905, a copy being received in the British Museum on August 10th, 1906.

Its title ? "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"

From [1] p107 :


" The leading Zionist Organizations of course immediately identified
this as a forgery, to bring about more blame on the Jews. It was
however not until 1933 that the Jews resorted to legal action. On
June 26th, 1933, The Federation of Jewish Communities of
Switzerland and the Berne Jewish Community brought an action against
five members of the Swiss National Front, seeking a judgment that
the Protocols were a forgery and a prohibition of their
publication. The procedure of the Court was astounding , the
provisions of the Swiss Civil Code being deliberately set aside.
Sixteen witnesses called by the plaintiffs were heard, but only one
of the forty witnesses called by the defendants was allowed a
hearing. The Judge allowed the plaintiffs to appoint two private
stenographers to keep register of proceedings during the hearing of
their witnesses, instead of trusting the task to a Court official.

In view of these and similar irregularities, it was not
surprising that, after the case had lasted just on two years, the
Court pronounced the Protocols to be a forgery and demoralizing
literature. The decision was given on 14th May, 1935, but it was
announced in the Jewish Press before it was delivered by the Court!

On 1st November, 1937, the Swiss Court of Criminal Appeal
squashed this judgment in its entirety. Jewish propagandists,
however, still declare that the Protocols have been "proved" a
forgery."


Now to the protocols themselves. Oh, BTW, why has Davick Icke just recently
removed any pointer on his website to the protocols? :

from google.com :


"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" outlines a devious plan
for world domination. Widely dismissed as a forgery created with
anti-semitic ... "
www.davidicke.com... - 11k -

But inserting the above URL into my browser gives me this :

Not Found

The requested URL /icke/articles2/rothschild-gv.html was not found on
this server.

Well there's still other websites online who have a HTML copy :

www.biblebelievers.org.au... :

Preface
Introduction
Who are the Elders?
Protocol I The Basic Doctrine
Protocol II Economic Wars
Protocol III Methods of Conquest
Protocol IV Materialism Replaces Religion
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars
Protocol VIII Provisional Government
Protocol IX Re-education
Protocol X Preparing for Power
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State
Protocol XII Control of the Press
Protocol XIII Distractions
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression
Protocol XVI Brainwashing
Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority
Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents
Protocol XIX Rulers and People
Protocol XX Financial Programme
Protocol XXI Loans and Credit
Protocol XXII Power of Gold
Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience
Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler

Now why do the above Protocols apply specially to the United States
of America of today? well read the protocols. And also realize
that America today has been the _last_ country left, or maybe even
the _only_ country ever, which has had a _real_ democracy and constitution
abiding the Bill of Rights et.al.

Best Regards,

Robert M. Stockmann
[1] "Waters Flowing Eastward: The War against the Kingship of Christ"
by L. Fry
Product Details:
ISBN: 0944379168
Format: Paperback, 267pp
Pub. Date: October 1998
Publisher: C P A Book Pub
search.barnesandnoble.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2005 @ 07:58 PM
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Throughout history a lot of controversy has existed about the various Zionist Organizations, and even today it is a delicate issue, which when not carefull explained, only leads to angry people from the ADL, Anti Defamation Leage on your doorstep. Allthough in general a Zionist is referred to as a Jew, this is a to simple description. I wrote a essay on this as a reply to an online article about the global elite, borrowing a lot of key information from a Israeli Journalist, Barry Chamish from

www.barrychamish.com...

which got quite a reputation after unmasking the real murderers of Yitzhak Rabin. His latest book "SHABTAI TZVI, LABOR ZIONISM AND THE HOLOCAUST" describes how various key elements of Zionism can be explained.



Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 05:08:38 +0100 (CET)
From: Robert M. Stockmann
To: Patrick Wood
Cc: tips@infowars.com, cloak.dagger@gmail.com, skolnick@ameritech.net,
Eric Jon Phelps ,
Barry Chamish , webmaster@rense.com,
redactie@niburu.nl
Subject: Re: THE GLOBAL ELITE: WHO ARE THEY?


"THE GLOBAL ELITE: WHO ARE THEY?"
www.newswithviews.com...

Dear Mr. Wood,

It is indeed rather difficult to point at a single institution as the sole responsible scapegoat for the rise of evil and injustice in todays world.

What matters is that behind the scenes, secret organizations, whom formerly were not houses of evil at all, have been intruded with people who want to bring Satanic Tyranny into a New World Order Global theater.

The Secret Organizations, which currently are affected the most by Evil Satanic influences are : Freemasonry in general and in particular British Freemasonry, The Skull and Bones Order and other alike Orders and Cultures of Death, The Pilgrims, The Jesuits and so on.

These secret organizations in their turn infiltrated (or even started or joined) the Organizations whom you mention inside your Article : The Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission, The Federal Reserve Bank , The Rothschild Banking system, The Institute for International Economics (IIE), The United Nations, Several National and International Security Agencies like the CIA, NSA, Mossad, MI6 etc.

How did it came about that this happened?

Well in 1776, a Bavarian Satanic Occultic individual, called Adam Weishaupt, drew up a plan to startup a Organization called The Illuminati, to spread evil across Europe. and across the world [1] page 12:

"Weishaupt, a cover name, was funded by the Satanic Bloodlines of the Brotherhood, he was only a front-man for their ideals. The purpose of the Illuminati was to recruit high-ranking Freemasons into a united Brotherhood Order. Freemasonry already reflected the Agenda of the Brotherhood, but there needed to be special Order (Illuminati) within the Masonic Order so that Satan's Empire could be effectively extended. Weishaupt said this about the Illuminati goal : "The true purpose of the order was to rule the world. To achieve this it was necessary for the Order to destroy all religions, overthrow all governments, and abolish private property".

The only way for the Illuminati to succeed, was by remaining confidential. Initiates were, therefore, sworn to secrecy by taking an oath of silence during their initiation ceremonies. The oath read in part : "I bind myself to perpetual silence and unshaken loyalty and submission to the Order.." The oath goes on to describe the horrible things that would happen to them if they ever left the order or revealed its plans. To keep the Illuminati behind its walls of deception, Weishaupt asked his followers to lie in achieving their Satanic goal. He wrote : "One must speak sometimes one way and sometimes another .. so that, with respect to our true line of thinking , we may be impenetrable."

The Brotherhood elite of the mystery religions itself, consisting of all these well guarded bloodlines, has of course been there for all ages. Its roots are told to have come about from old Babylon.

The Illuminati first came in action in France during the French Revolution. As a result the Illuminati was forbidden, and was forced underground. They however set foot in America, and one of their mile stones was the foundation and activation of The order of Skull and Bones at Yale University funded by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft. Russell was a Opium trader which had the Skull and Bones as company logo.

About the same time, when the American mission of the Illuminati was started, a man came from Turkey to visit the headquarters of the Illuminati in Frankfurt[3]. His name was Jacob Frank, who later-on started the Frankists branch of religion. The true religion which Jacob Frank brought with him was the so called "Shabbatism", a Jewish religion which was 100% orthogonal and in contradiction to the Jewish religion, called Judaism. In short, all the noble goals of the 10 commandments of Moses, were inverted. So one could kill, adulter, steal, etc. So finally crooks could sit with a heavenly smile on the front row of the Frankist Church. Jacob Frank met with Weishaupt and the Rothschilds, and soon afterwards Jacob Frank and his religious projects flourished as never before. Later-on the "Shabbatism" would become more well known as Labor Zionism.

At the end of the 19th century, 1890's, Zionism became the front name for Jewry in general. In particular it were the rich and banker Jews who of course practiced the cabbalistic Shabbatism, which became better known as Zionism. The tricky part was of course that the less well off Jews would also be called Zionists but would of course obey the 10 commandments. So the same Zionism word could mean total opposite things with respect to noble or evil religious beliefs. It all depended if the Jews were rich and satanists, or less rich or even poor and true believers in Moses commandments.

In 1905 a Russian professor called Sergyei A. Nilus in Russia published a book containing secret papers stolen by the Czar's secret service from a Moscow Zionist meeting :

"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"

These protocols are in effect a very detailed prescription how to achieve the goals which the Illuminati are striving for. Of course all the above organizations affiliated to the Illuminati denied the authenticity of these protocols, as Adam Weishaubt had taught them, and we now easily can understand. The protocols can be read online or inside [2].

www.biblebelievers.org.au... :

Preface
Introduction
Who are the Elders?
Protocol I The Basic Doctrine
Protocol II Economic Wars
Protocol III Methods of Conquest
Protocol IV Materialism Replaces Religion
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars
Protocol VIII Provisional Government
Protocol IX Re-education
Protocol X Preparing for Power
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State
Protocol XII Control of the Press
Protocol XIII Distractions
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression
Protocol XVI Brainwashing
Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority
Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents
Protocol XIX Rulers and People
Protocol XX Financial Programme
Protocol XXI Loans and Credit
Protocol XXII Power of Gold
Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience
Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler

Best regards,

Robert M. Stockmann
[1] "Bloodlines of the Illuminati"
by Fritz Springmeier, 624 pages
Product Details:
ISBN: 0966353323
Format: Paperback, 624pp
Pub. Date: Third edition 2002
Publisher: Ambassador House, 8005 Cattle Drive, Austin, TX 78749
www.store.yahoo.com...
[2] "Waters Flowing Eastward: The War against the Kingship of Christ"
by L. Fry
Product Details:
ISBN: 0944379168
Format: Paperback, 267pp
Pub. Date: October 1998
Publisher: C P A Book Pub
Online edition : book-case.kroupnov.ru...
search.barnesandnoble.com...
[3] "SHABTAI TZVI, LABOR ZIONISM AND THE HOLOCAUST"
by Barry Chamish, email: chamish@netvision.net.il
Product Details:
ISBN: 965-90766-1-4
Format: Paperback, 244pp
Pub. Date: 2004
Publisher: Modiin House, Modiin Israel
www.barrychamish.com...


Some extra recommended reading :

"Perfidy"
by Ben Hecht
Hardcover: 288 pages
Publisher: Milah Press, Incorporated (April, 1997)
Language: English
ISBN: 0964688638
www.amazon.com...



"The Conspiracy of Silence", February 21, 2000
Reviewer: ESAR SHVARTZ (Long Beach, CA)

Ben Hecht wrote this book in 1961. In the last 15 years, many historical studies have corroborated Hecht's findings: Ben Gurion and his socialist cronies, as well as most of the Jewish leaders in the U.S., did almost nothing to save the Jews of Europe in 1933 - 45; in many cases, they hindered efforts of rescue.

Perfidy describes the shamful Kasztner affair where close to a million Hungarian Jews might have been saved but were betrayed in 1944. A similar pattern, however, occurred throughtout the Holocaust: The Jewish socialists in pre Israel Palestine bowed to the British who did not want any Jewish refugees in Palestine which would have offended the Arabs. The American Jewish leaders considered FDR as God. FDR, and his administration, did not want to help the Jews so everybody kept quiet and did nothing, including the Russians. The only ones who fought this conspiracy of silence were the Irgun members.

Hecht dramatizes all these historical facts very well. No doubt, the Allies did not want anything to interfere with the war effort, but their excuses for not trying to save the Jews were cynical and outright anti-semetic. The war years were full of monumental rescue undertakings by the Allies such as the shipping of 40,000 British children to the U.S, and the rescue of several thousands Yuguslav partisans.

In 1944, due to the Irgun's public relation campaigns and mounting political pressure, FDR was forced to create the War Refugee Board which saved about 200,000 Jews from slaughter (according to historians' estimates). Hecht did not mention it in Perfidy which does not deal with the U.S. response to the Holocaust. Although Hecht's description of the shamful betrayal of the European Jews by Ben-Gurion, Weiztman, and others has been well documented in recent years, one should not ignore the real Nazi collaborators who did not want millions of refugees on their hands: the British empire, the Middle East Arabs, and the FDR administration.

Perfidy includes some prophetic insights which I fully agree with: Governments, and other human organizations, are doomed. Humanity will pay for the torture and murder of six million inocent people.



"The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the
Third Reich and Jewish Palestine"
by Edwin Black
Paperback: 430 pages
Publisher: Carroll & Graf Publishers; Updated ed edition (March, 2001)
Language: English
ISBN: 0786708417



"UNVAILING A FORGOTTEN PAST", May 15, 2001
Reviewer: esar shvartz (long beach, CA United States)

This is a typical Edwin Black book. As in his other important Holocaust related work, IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST, he goes into great detail on events, speeches, and other occurrences that took place mainly in 1933 with the rise of Hitler to power. The Nazis did not waste any time and immediately started with the persecution of the approximately half amillion German Jews. There was an immediate world wide boycott against German commerse. The labor Zionists in Palestine and elsewhere, being opportunistic in nature, used this calamity that preceded the Holocaust and negotiated a secret deal with the Nazis. The Nazis allowed some Jews to leave Germany for Palestine with money, and in return the Zionists did not participate in the boycott against German goods. Information about this shameful affair was suppressed by all Israeli goverments headed by labor in the last 50 years.

Black's description of this affair is very detailed but overly repetitious. A major problem is the lack of sufficient summaries. Black describes the events and more or less leaves it to the reader to arrive to conclusions. Examples: he mentions the complete silence of FDR on the persecution of the German Jews (which lasted later throughout the war) but there is no comment on it. There is a good description of the paranoid hatered of Jabotinsky and his followers by the labor Zionists but no comment on it. In several comments, however, Black expresses the opinion that the transfer agreement was beneficial to the futureestablishment of Israel because of the German goods and some German Jews that went to Palestine. The price was dealing with the devil. History showed otherwise. The transfer agreement constituted a minor factor in the establishment of Israel, and that is why Ben Gurion and his cronies tried to hide it. The irony is that during the Holocaust the labor Zionists again made deals with the Nazis to save their own people at the expense of others (see PERFIDY by Ben Hecht).

This book is a very important historical document. I hope that somebody will use Black's hard work in digging up all the details of this forgotten dark period, to throw more light on the actions (or inactions) of the labor Zionists during the Holocaust (Ben-Gurion, Stephen Wise, Nachum Goldman, etc), because of their sick devotion to socialism and their love affair with FDR.



posted on Dec, 15 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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Forgery, or not, has everyone actually read all of the Protocols?

Can anyone who has read it stand up and honestly say you don't see it all happening today?

The only thing in doubt is who is ulitmately behind it all.



posted on Dec, 15 2005 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
Forgery, or not, has everyone actually read all of the Protocols?

Can anyone who has read it stand up and honestly say you don't see it all happening today?

The only thing in doubt is who is ulitmately behind it all.




I have read every last word of them my friend and I believe them to be right on que. Forgery or not they are spot on. I would like to read them again soon. You learn more every time you read an article. The good old days of growing corn and shooting crows is OVER!!



posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 01:27 AM
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Just remember that they are FICTION. Read it like you would read a good story. Enjoy it for what it is.

Then put it down and re-enter the real world.



posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 01:48 AM
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Everything in this World is a Control Mechanism, from School, to Government with it's laws, to the Church & what they want you to think about the Bible.

People have a tendency to let others lead them by the nose & not think for themselves.

[edit on 16-12-2005 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Dec, 16 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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Hello Mister "Free"Mason,

I have put my findings of facts online on a webpage :

crashrecovery.org...

As a matter a fact, as you carry the "Free"mason symbol on this forum, i can only tell you, that the higher one is initiated into the order, one becomes less and less free. If a high level mason wants to step out, he's a piece of dead meat walking. So...I would skip the "Free" part of the Mason word here.

But that's not the issue here. What i want to point out here is that you still dare to associate the Real World with todays mainstream media. Even when we see Bush & Co. make total blunders in trying to cover-up their previous propaganda from lets say half a year or even a year ago. I personally have had enough of that, so i started reading books. New ones, and old ones, and i can only tell you that what we all are learned in history class is only maybe 10% of the whole truth out there.

Recently a brilliant article was published by James Bamford about the total fake news propaganda by the White House and Pentagon being outsourced to the Rendon Group :

As all the info coming to us is mostly in online articles and videos, The White House outsourced propaganda to company's like The Rendon Group. As no-one is able to visit the place of terrorist attacks to make a independent report, faking news is a easy task. Add the fact that Bush & Co. are a fascist group, propagating false propaganda using forged documents like the yellow cake stuff becomes a evil nightmare. James Bamford wrote a couple of articles about the Rendon Group.
John Rendon and the U.S. propoganda. I think this goes even further, like the ultimate "1984" scenario, The Infowar Techniques of the Rendon Group: a possible theory :crashrecovery.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> crashrecovery.org...

Best Regards,

Robert



posted on Jan, 3 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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I have been researching The Protocols for some time, now and have found this thread very helpful.

Whatever the origin of the book, one thing is certain - it reads like a history of the Twentieth Century! Being a cynical individual, I do not believe in coincidences of this scale.



posted on Jan, 3 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Burnt Offering

Originally posted by ArchAngel
Forgery, or not, has everyone actually read all of the Protocols?

Can anyone who has read it stand up and honestly say you don't see it all happening today?

The only thing in doubt is who is ulitmately behind it all.


I have read every last word of them my friend and I believe them to be right on que. Forgery or not they are spot on. I would like to read them again soon. You learn more every time you read an article. The good old days of growing corn and shooting crows is OVER!!


The question of the Protocol's origin is a convenient distraction isn't it? While the intellectual honesty of our ATS forum demands that attention be paid to this, it's not the main concern from my point of view.

It doesn't matter where they originated. It doesn't matter who first composed this plan or when or why, even. The simple fact is that it appears that someone has taken this plan and has been implementing it on an international level.

Is it the "Jews"? Well, I expect some of them might technically be jewish (whatever jewish actually means), but I doubt they care about that. My belief is that these people have no Religion except greed and no God except power.

So, I'd like to know if all you folks who are so insistent that the Protocols are a hoax would like to deny that many things outlined in the Protocols have occurred pretty much as "planned" in the document (fake or not).



posted on Jan, 4 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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I shudder to think that here in the 21st Century this obvious forgery would still be debated regarding it's authenticity. It would be interesting to know however, if it was really plagerized from some real document. I've read about many possible suspects, the Illuminati, the Jesuits, etc.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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DJQuinn,

You say it is an OBVIOUS forgery, can you explain what you mean, please? I am very keen to purchase the book(s) it has allegedly been copied from, to see for myself. In addition, is it not possible that ideas could not have been copied from other books?

I do not know whether the book is genuine, but I am keen to find out, in light of the fact that most of the protocols have come to pass.



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