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Originally posted by Astygia

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Astygia, I don't know where your quote about sidsteping constitutional gaurantees comes from, but it isn't in the Military Commissions Act and therefore not subject to my interpretation on the Act. Is this your statement, or the statement of another's opinion?

That's my statement. Sadly, constitutional scholars and congressmen are saying the same thing.

Then your original statement questioning my interpretation is ridiculous. I made it clear I was interpreting the law not your opinion.

Soylent Communications? Daily Rotten? Electronic Frotier Foundation? Please, do not try to pass off a manufactured document that alleges to summarize a Draft US government document, that no one here has ever seen, as legitimate. Take note of how the authors formatted the document to fool people into thinking it was an official library of Congress document. When you have not seen the actual document, how can you trust the "transcribers" to faithfully convey the information.

This memo was leaked to the Center for Public Integrity in early 2003, from there it's gone everywhere. I'm guessing that you don't actually research anything outside of finding ways to "win" in a thread. If you googled for a few minutes before coming up with a witty reply, you'd know this for yourself. This was reported by several reputable sources, such as CNN, Washington Post, etc.

I'm not saying the Draft Memo wasnt leaked or didn't exist. I'm saying I've never seen it. Show it to me. Don't show me a trancribed summary of it.

Your link goes to the Intelligence Authorization Act for FY 2004. A quick review indicates its basically funding legislation. I see nothing sinister in it. And I'm sorry, no matter what it said, I'd argue that you couldn't say it included most of the provisions of the "Patriot Act II" since as I stated above, who knows what was in Patriot Act II?
If you want to discuss HR2417 we should start a new thread.

A quick review of your posts indicates that you don't accept reality.

Insulting and immature. I've treated you with respect, I deserve the same.

One more thing. You pointing out that HR 2417 was signed the day Saddam was captured seems to indicate you think the Admin. tried to slip it by. Please remember it was debated and voted on in both houses of congress well before the Pres signed it. Nothing secretive here IMO.

Actually, I pointed that out so you'd have a date to check by. But in your opinion, we don't need habeus corpus either.

I doubt that, since the Tinwiki article about The Patriot Act that you wrote and/or contributed to, has an entire section discussing the irregularity of signing this legislation on the Saturday when Saddam was captured.

Up until know I was interested in your posts, But in your last response you've shown me you aren't interested in thoughful debate. You've joined Vitchilo on my unofficial ignore list.