my conclusions

Hi there,

I am a newbie to ATS but I have been looking at this site for a while now and decided to join in. I have read many books and seen much video footage (at other places too) and I feel that I am educated enought to look at things analytically and draw my own conclusions from what I have been presented with. I am overwhelmed with the evidence and all the things that just do not add up.

I have concluded (like millions of others on this planet) that the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon was an inside job. I am disgusted to think that a government that passes itself off as a democracy, could murder thousands of it's citizens (and other guests on it's soil) as a way to create panic in an attempt to boost patriotism and justify 'a war on terror'.

What has this got to do with a 5O year old mother of 3 sons in Sydney, Australia ? My eldest son happens to be a specialist in his field in the Australian Army and guess where he is going soon ? Baghdad. Yeah that's just bloody great and I personally hold the US and the Australian governments responsible for this. I am so sick of Australia's PM, Little Johnny Howard (one of Dubya's bumboys) with his sycophantic attitude and his ability to be lead around like a moron.

I am sickened when I hear about the deaths of US military personnel in the Middle East. (It is a fact that the US has suffered the most casualties) I am saddened to think that these young men and women have given their lives for a country that betrayed them (and the rest of the world for that matter) and used them as cannon fodder. Soldiers go to war becasue they are a special breed, they do not question, they do as they are told because they are disciplined. They have been lied to and hoodwinked (I am also not blind to the fact there are some among the military who are rednecks and who would be loving it over there...being given a licence to kill as it were).

I am so fearful for the world and my sons, all our sons and daughters. I am ashamed to be part of the human race at this point in my life and I am quite frankly unable to be shocked anymore by what our governments do. I wonder how they sleep at night, these men and women who fabricate lies and deceit and then make the decisions to send our troops into bogus wars.

I know I am not alone in my conclusions and that gives me some comfort.
I do not dislike Americans ( I am so glad I do not live there, although Australia is one of your states) but I hate your government, past and present. It is corrupt and always has been. I do have one question though, if someone can offer a theory or answer?

In the Loose Change video, the narrator talks about two flights beng diverted to an airport in Ohio (the airport has been evac'ed) and the passengers are taken to a NASA building, there is a discrepancy in the number of passengers. What I want to know is if they took the passengers off the planes and then substituted the planes with drones or whatever, what did they do with the passengers? Did they shoot them? Drug them and take them to an underbround base like Dulce or Area 51?
Did they erase their memories, change ther appearances and relocate them ?
Have I missed something here?


I have rambled but there is a need for each and every one of us who feels cheated to say so. When last I looked I was still able to exercise free speech and every chance I get I spread the word and discredit these malevolent leaders.


it is only a matter of time before it all comes out becasue there is a gorundswell of disatisfaction...soon they will all hear us...and believe

I have similar concerns that there was an inside element to the 911 attacks, although I believe it was more of LIHOP approach rather than a military operation. Although I began by looking at everything, I soon decided that I have no doubt the planes that went into the towers were the actual planes and not military subsitutes as Loose Change and the Power Hour and others suggest.

The reason I believe this is one that has been written about by others although I cannot remember the article off the top of my head. The argument is this though: if 9-11 was in fact a military operation that was supposed to appear to be a terrorist attack using hijacked commercial airliners then we are talking about a massive conspiracy that would cost millions and millions of dollars to pull off. If this is the kind of covert operation we are talking about, then don't you think the government would have made sure that the planes used to fly into the towers were the painted up to appear exactly like United Airlines aircraft? They wouldn't risk sending military planes in and just hope that nobody noticed.

I can't see a way to refute this argument - if you can, please let me know. But until then, I believe that, whether it was an inside job or not, whether the planes had been tampered with or not, the two aircraft that flew into those towers are the ones that the media reported.

Feel free to disagree.

hi elmo,


I do not disgree or agree. I have seen eyewitness footage whereby a female states that she has just seen a military plane go into one of the towers. Other vid footage apears to be United Airlines planes. I do not know for sure.

I just know I ain't buying the dirty scam!!

thanks for your reply elmo...I can delve deeper now


cheers

Hello. Welcome to ATS.

Many here share your same views. Feel free to post any more thoughts or questions you may have regarding the WTC.

Thankyou for the welcome DJMessiah.

I have many questions and thoughts...just have a problem putting it all into words sometimes so the meaning is clear for others.

cheers

Welcome to ATS Resistancia

Before I start I would just like to point out that although I disagree with your views on 9/11, I respect your effort to contribute to ATS. I will offer an alternate look at Loose Change that shows the use of half-quotes and misguided research in Loose Change but it is totally up to you to watch it. I don't want to force my opinion on you.

www.lolloosechange.co.nr...

I used to be a 9/11 theorist much like yourself. I chose to go the other way but your right to an independant opinion should ultimatley lead to your decision.

I do however, have serious concern over the independance of this nations government. Being a fellow Aussie I find that we do need strong US ties, but we have to consider the effects of our military actions before we make a decision.

Being from a military family myself I can tell you that I've had and Uncle do a tour of duty in Iraq in 2005, my father served in the first Gulf War and has since been working outside the army with elite police force untis and I have a close friend who spent the past 3 weeks back and forth from Afghanistan working with the RAAF.

Your son is working with the best. Although your son is going into a dangerous place he has alot of good men going with him. These guys are trained to do their job and do it well. This whole nation is behind you and your family and my respect for you and your son is nothing but high.

I hope everything goes well for you in the future.

- Doctor Fungi

Hi doctorfungi,

I am always happy to look and investigate alternate theories and evidence is it exists and is offered. Thanks for that link.

I agree with your comment about having serious concern over the independence
of our nation. I do know that we need strong US ties but I also am not blind to the possibly of Australia being put into a far worse position because of these ties. That is why I am fearful for all of us.

I thankyou for your comforting words in regard to my son going to Baghdad and I know that our men and women are very well trained but I worry about how he will cope psychologically as well...not just being wounded or...not even going to say that.

By the way, thankyou for your and your family's contribution to the armed forces in Australia and I hope anyone you know who is deployed, returns safely.

resi

Originally posted by elmo_911

I can't see a way to refute this argument - if you can, please let me know. But until then, I believe that, whether it was an inside job or not, whether the planes had been tampered with or not, the two aircraft that flew into those towers are the ones that the media reported.

Feel free to disagree.

I don't disagree with this at all. I just feel they used the knowledge of a hit as a way to make it worse. If that makes sense.

Well as long as this theory has been going on, i personally belive it's developed into somewhat of a religion/cult. if you belive it was an inside job, then you belive that story...and if you don't, you don't.

this is one of those subjects thats probably never going to truley go away until some proof is shown to satisfy disbelievers of the official story. who knows what that type of proof will be i have seen people say pretty wild things trying to discredit the usa gov official story.

well i belive it was really a terrorist attack the above link didn't seem to work for me. if anyone else has problems an alternate addy is here:

screw loose change

thats probly the "best" video i seen on the issues so far..popular theories and debunking combined..

peice by peice version

most of what is avalible about the conspirocy side of 9/11 is on the internet, so there is somewhat of a question to it's validity. internet research isn't widley accepted by a scholarly standpoint.

i guess everyone gotta make up they own mind.

[edit on 19-10-2006 by Spawwwn]

[edit on 19-10-2006 by Spawwwn]

Well we could not all agree, could we? How boring would that be?

I am not trying to discredit the US government ...they are doing a great job of that all by themselves.


Peace to all
resi