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As for countering the 262 there was no equal face off scenario where piston engine fighters were anywher near on par in one on one. The only success to be had was "rat catching" when the jets were pounced on at takeoff or at landing when they were slow and vulnerable. By diving at high speed and using the inertia produced it was possible to make a firing pass on a jet hoping for damage before he got away.
They had not idea why the Germans were sweeping back the wings even slightly, until they interviewed the German scientist running the windtunnel experiements. Turns out the idea came from American scientists in a conference in 1934 in Europe. The germans grasped the significance of the research, the Americans didn't.
American Raiders pp 21
Me-262 performed slightly better than the F-80 but was a dog as far as handleing characteristics, and a maintenance man's nightmare"
American Raiders pp 22.
"One of them was comparison testing between the Shooting Star and a captured German Me-262 jet fighter....I was facintated to discover that the 262 and shooting star performed identically- the same range , top speed, acceleration, and rate of climb".
American Raiders, pp 23.
The final test report stated that the comparison tests were pretty close. No enormous advantage of one over the other. I don't really believe that . I think the Me-262 was superior to the P-80 across the board . I flew the 262, and thats what I believe" .other Whiizzers pilots who flew the German jet , like Bob Strobell , felt that the Me-262 was a superior airplane , the very best of its day"
pp 129 American Raiders...
"The Me 262 threat simply never materialised and by the time operation lusty was moving through Hitlers pantry, the YP-80 was still struggling. Trouble began early in the P80 project. IN October 1944 Lockeeds chief test pilot died in a crash of a XP-80".
pp130 American Raiders...
"So far engine life is limited to 50 hours , with carful 25 hour inspection"
pp 131 American Raiders...
" Its estimated that at the present rates of production and training , if the program is unchecked the Germans could possibly have roughly 1000 jets operational by mid summer  And this in the absence of appropriate countermeasures this could conceivably make further strategic bombarment of Germany too expensive to continue"
"That jet technology was just too risky to fly if the test pilots and our top ace could not safely handle the aircraft"
"Lessons learned from the German wind tunnel test data and captured Turbine technology were hastly applied to end the P-80's bad luck streak." Concequences being ... General Arnold " the crisis that had emerged as a result of the recent accidents and especially the loss of Bong, He now faced with serious political threats to cut back, cancel or withdraw funding for the jet programs"
pp132 /133American Raiders
In April May and June 1945 information gathered from German design centers and manufacturing facilities provided a much needed boost to the stalled YP-80 program"
A number of projects originating in 1930 , were halted in 1940 and revived in 1943 when the danger from air bombardment became more acute. Not a single proximity fuse had seen service , and only two could have been placed in mass production within two years"
Waynos, the V1 was not a jet propelled fighter aircraft. It was a flying bomb and a very crude affair at that
Originally posted by fritz
Waynos old boy, I said your post alluded to jet v jet dogfighting. I did not say you had said that.
I am a little intrigued as to the start of jet v jet dogfighting. I do not believe it officially happened before the Korean War when Super Sabres went up against MiG 15s.
Is this a correct assumption on my part? Who were the earliest jet Aces? Anyone shed any light on this matter?