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posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
As we travel through life we all experience different things which shape our view of reality and the world (and cosmos) around us. Who am I to say that people can or cannot communicate with non-terrestrial beings via this method? I believe anything is possible. That doesn't mean I definitely believe it to be true, but rather, that I believe in the potential for it to be true. I feel that this is a healthy attitude to have, and that I have no right to judge or condemn someone for what they profess to be true.

I am not seeking contact with alien life, personally. That may change someday, but for now it isn't something I'd like to do. There are no negative or positive reasons for this. It just isn't something I'd like to do at this time. However, I would like to thank Alien Agenda for bringing this exercise to my attention, because using it has allowed me to fall asleep without having nightmares for the first time in years. You'll certainly garner no enmity from me for that!

If I might humbly offer some completely optional and unsolicited advice to everyone taking part in this thread, it would be this: if you firmly believe what your perceptions, thoughts, feelings, visions, or any other sources tell you to be true - whether that means you believe communication with aliens via this method is impossible or deceptive, or you believe you are in or have been in contact with aliens via this method - try to remain open to alternative possibilities as well, because there is surely a great deal we don't know, no matter how much we have already learned (for better or worse.) That way, rather than arguing, the most we can say about one another is, "it's possible that you're correct, and it's possible that you're not." That prevents needless arguments and allows for flexibility. I know that's oversimplifying things a bit, but I have seen little flexibility from both sides of the ongoing debates in this thread.

If I see the sky as being blue, and someone else sees it as being green, can either person definitively prove the other wrong using means that do not rely on human perception, which is fallible? How many times have we believed in something with all our being, and had no reason to doubt that faith, only to change our view later? Keep an open mind, no matter what it is that you believe.

As always, these are only my opinions, and I respect and value opposing views, because I accept that I could be wrong.


well said



JSR

posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWay

Originally posted by Alien Agenda
Skyway,
People have been asking for proof of aliens forever, I am here to help facilitate their wishes by showing them first that they are unlimited beings, second by showing them the awesome potential of the human mind, third by providing a peaceful and comfortable way to be introduced to a friendly and bonevolet species like the grays.


If you wish to satisfy people's wish for proof of aliens, you can do that by providing photos, videos, artifacts....it isn't necessary to put people in personal contact with the aliens. You must be very confused if you consider the grays to be a friendly and benevolent species. A friendly and benevolent species does not kidnap people and subject them to painful and humiliating tests. These creatures are evil.

But yet you attack and persists based on at best second hand knowledge and your own opinion (which is fine not attacking it in any way) with out any first hand knowledge.


I don't need first-hand knowledge to know that poison should be avoided.



careful, he could cut you off. like he did me.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Alien Agenda

Young skyway the only way for people to believe in the existence of an alien species is to show them first hand.


That is obviously incorrect, since I am convinced of the aliens existence yet have no first-hand experience with them.


But Skyway as soon as they make first contact it will make them a believer and not a debunker, nonbeliever what ever anymore. This I promise you.


But at what cost? It's like proving to nonbelievers that demons exist by showing them how to become possessed.

One more thing. People can learn by reasoning and not only by experience. If I see a person getting burned by touching fire, I can know without getting burned...by reasoning...that I should avoid touching flame.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 03:55 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Alien Agenda

Young skyway the only way for people to believe in the existence of an alien species is to show them first hand.


That is obviously incorrect, since I am convinced of the aliens existence yet have no first-hand experience with them.

Hummm you must be special then.



quote: But Skyway as soon as they make first contact it will make them a believer and not a debunker, nonbeliever what ever anymore. This I promise you.


But at what cost? It's like proving to nonbelievers that demons exist by showing them how to become possessed.

The cost is practicing the exercise seems reasonable to me. No its like proving to skeptics and debunkers that they now have a way to communicate safely. Read the feedback that starting to generate brother.


One more thing. People can learn by reasoning and not only by experience. If I see a person getting burned by touching fire, I can know without getting burned...by reasoning...that I should avoid touching flame.


I agree with you here, although this is not a reasoning experiment this is a proof positive exercise that will make believers out of non believers.
I understand where you are coming from in all of your threads I really do and I appreciate all of the caution heeding, but these are all grown up folk that can make a decision for themselves and the ones that are will make contact.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 05:17 PM
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Just letting people know that they are taking a big risk in opening their minds to these evil aliens. They may form a psychic attachment with the grays that could be difficult to break once it has been established. The aliens may be able to cause all kinds of mental and emotional turmoil in people if they make a mind to mind connection.

These people are going into this blind because they really don't know what kind of connection this exercise will establish nor what kind of advantage it may give to the grays over themselves. I advise against it. Don't be reckless people. These aliens have shown themselves to care nothing about the harm they cause people. Just read the accounts of abductees.

Whatever you decide, remember, Jesus Christ will help you if you call on Him. You're going to need help if you contact the grays/aliens/demons.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWay
Just letting people know that they are taking a big risk in opening their minds to these evil aliens. They may form a psychic attachment with the grays that could be difficult to break once it has been established. The aliens may be able to cause all kinds of mental and emotional turmoil in people if they make a mind to mind connection.

These people are going into this blind because they really don't know what kind of connection this exercise will establish nor what kind of advantage it may give to the grays over themselves. I advise against it. Don't be reckless people. These aliens have shown themselves to care nothing about the harm they cause people. Just read the accounts of abductees.

Whatever you decide, remember, Jesus Christ will help you if you call on Him. You're going to need help if you contact the grays/aliens/demons.


Okay this is getting pretty annoying, like we said with Wondernut, Skyway, we understand how you feel about this, as its been about 4 pages of your arguements advising us against this and we thank you for your advisories, but please quit wasting the ATS bandwidth.

I won't mind if you could provide some proof that these beings (if they even exist) are malevolant towards us in the slightest way? And why did you have bring Jesus into this? I'm sure he, sorry He, wants nothing to do with this mindless banter...



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the advise skyway....

BTW you have now been put on my ignore list with the rest of your buddies have nice reasonable life.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by jimbo57
Okay this is getting pretty annoying, like we said with Wondernut, Skyway, we understand how you feel about this, as its been about 4 pages of your arguements advising us against this and we thank you for your advisories, but please quit wasting the ATS bandwidth.


Don't say I didn't warn you.



posted on Oct, 19 2006 @ 09:47 PM
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Something happened tonight and I'll do my best to relay a condensed version of the info as it's very difficult to put into words.

I began the exercise (my third attempt) as normal in my "controlled" environment (the couch), but this time it was different. I was able to visualize the four quadrants and colors effortlessly and it seemed as if the exercise went on "auto-pilot". For a split second I was scared, but then I thought I may be on the verge of something, so I just let it happen.

As the pattern was repeating itself in my mind, my entire body began to "heat up". It felt as if I was generating heat, but in actuality I don't think my body temperature changed at all. Just when a hint a reservation started to creep back into my mind, that feeling of "security" I spoke about in an earlier post swepted through me.

At this point I started to hear something that sounded like a cross between the ocean and static from an old television. I began to focus on the sound when suddenly the sound itself began to visualize in my mind. It appeared to be a horizontal stream about 6 feet wide and 3 feet tall of crisp television snow with thin black bands flowing left to right and right to left "simultaneously". The entire thing was hovering about 4 feet above the ground.

I began to "will" myself toward the stream when a feeling I can best describe as a combination of "openess" and clarity just sort of "clicked" on. The feeling seem to radiate from chest area (I'm assuming my heart). It was at this point, I had what I can only describe as two separate "visions". What's strange about these visions is that they actually seemed "realer" (is that a word?) than me sitting here posting on this forum. I have never in my life experienced something so "clear" it truely was incredible.

It's at this point I have to say, I did not see any Grays nor did I feel as if anyone or anything was attempting to communicate with me. I also have to say, at no point was I asleep or dozing off. It was definitely not a dream. It felt more like I "tuned in" to some unknown channel and was watching a "recording" of some hyper-real all encompassing video in which I could feel the emotions that were being experienced within the video. At one point I opened my eyes and I could still see the "visions".

In the first "vision", I was inside of a castle that was under seige and my attention was focused on one particular Knight. The knight was yelling in a language I wasn't familiar with, but somehow I could understand him and he kept yelling "Defend the the Princess!" over and over. He was attempting to fight off a bunch of other knights and he put up a good fight, but was overwhelmed by the shear number of the enemy and he was killed. Now here is where it gets really weird. The knight was a white male with dirty blonde hair and as I was watching that knight, something inside me told me that knight was me. Something told me I was watching myself. Here is where it gets really, really weird. I'm an African American male from a small town in Michigan. I've never been even remotely interested in Knights, castles, princesses or anything related to the genre!

In the second "vision", which seemed so clear, I was actually flying! Not only was I flying, but I also had the sense it was completely natual and an ability that every human has. In the vision the secret of flight was so simple I actually felt a sense of embarassment that I had never flown before and I thought to myself that I will remember the secret and share it with everyone, but just before I came out of the "stream", I actually felt the "secret" leave my mind and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't remember it.

I discontinued the exercise about 15min. ago, but I still feel "open" especially around my chest / heart area. I'm not in any pain nor do I feel ill, I just feel..."open".

That's my experience. Take it for what it's worth.

[edit on 19-10-2006 by darkskills]



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:23 AM
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i have a few questions here, I have been following the thread quite closely, i tried the methods given once last night, but it really drained me of energy, apparently i have no ability to visualize anything what so ever, i recently.. tried again, and i can get vauge images for an instant at a time, i had to see colors in ways like.. thinking of a cardinal bird for red and blue jay for blue ect ect, i just cant hold on to an image more than an instant at a time.. so.. if anyone has a suggestion for that, i would appreciate it, secondly, do you think/know anything about trying this while under the influence of psilocybian mushrooms? i KNOW i would be able to visualize in such a state with pure and utter ease.. ANY positive feedback is more than welcome, good luck all!



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 06:49 AM
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I discontinued the exercise about 15min. ago, but I still feel "open" especially around my chest / heart area. I'm not in any pain nor do I feel ill, I just feel..."open".

That's my experience. Take it for what it's worth.


Hi darkskills,
That’s a really cool experience and I will attempt to translate what happen insofar as unlocking your abilities not your actual scenes if you will. You see us humans have a total of 104 senses that are asleep, some people have been able to unlock them like seers, telepaths, conjures, shape shifter, communicators etc. During the exercise you passed through the worthless astro plane and began to see the stream for the first time. The closer you get to the stream them more you will see, but you will not be able to retain the abilities or awaken more senses until you enter the stream.

And based on what you described it sounds like you goanna be superman or something’ll. Once in the stream you will make first contact and your job will be made clear.

Keep up the good work.



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 06:52 AM
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posted on 20-10-2006 at 12:23 AM (post id: 2563484) - single

i have a few questions here, I have been following the thread quite closely, i tried the methods given once last night, but it really drained me of energy, apparently i have no ability to visualize anything what so ever, i recently.. tried again, and i can get vauge images for an instant at a time, i had to see colors in ways like.. thinking of a cardinal bird for red and blue jay for blue ect ect, i just cant hold on to an image more than an instant at a time.. so.. if anyone has a suggestion for that, i would appreciate it, secondly, do you think/know anything about trying this while under the influence of psilocybian mushrooms? i KNOW i would be able to visualize in such a state with pure and utter ease.. ANY positive feedback is more than welcome, good luck all!


Klawsraught,
First and foremost I would “STRONLY ADIVSE AGAINST” attempting this exercise under the influence of anything like drugs or alcohol. Now you can substitute the four colors for four pictures that represent the colors and the can be whatever but for maximum impact I would suggest you stick to the colors and use pictures only as a training aid.

I know you can do this, keep at it.



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Alien Agenda

First and foremost I would “STRONLY ADIVSE AGAINST” attempting this exercise under the influence of anything like drugs or alcohol.



Alien Agenda, I have been following this post since day 1, and I have to say, I am very interested in the technique. I have shown it to a few friends and none of us have yet to try. The main reason I am so hesitant to try this yet myself, I smoke pot. Like you and other people have posted on this subject matter you strongly advise against it. I feel somewhat DRAWN towards trying this because I feel that I will be able to succeed in entering the stream. Please can you tell me what effects that may happen or dangers that could ensue if I were to attempt this after smoking? I am curious, I was planning on doing it sober anyway, but due to the numerous posts associated with the subject I just has to ask.

Also another question would be about the stream itself, and its psychological effects on your brain. I noticed a post on here said that being exposed to the stream might cause schizophrenia among some people. Does this mean people who have schizophrenia in their family history, and possibly inherited schizophrenia? Or does this mean that people with no prior signs or schizophrenic behavior may develop the problem?

I have heard of drugs such as '___' being shortcuts to this stream you teach about, or possible simularities. Do you know anything about this subject or have formed any opinions on the matter?

Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions and concerns I have. I think this evening I will try my first attempt with entering the stream, I will report back monday on what I experienced as well as the other people who are interested in doing it as well.

-hex



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Alien Agenda, I have been following this post since day 1, and I have to say, I am very interested in the technique. I have shown it to a few friends and none of us have yet to try. The main reason I am so hesitant to try this yet myself, I smoke pot. Like you and other people have posted on this subject matter you strongly advise against it. I feel somewhat DRAWN towards trying this because I feel that I will be able to succeed in entering the stream. Please can you tell me what effects that may happen or dangers that could ensue if I were to attempt this after smoking? I am curious, I was planning on doing it sober anyway, but due to the numerous posts associated with the subject I just has to ask.


Hi hexed1911,
First welcome I am glad you are trying this exercise out and some practice you will succeed. I have not idea what would happen if you attempted this exercise under the influence of a drug. When helping to perfect this method I was prompted with explicit instructions that when ever doing this exercise the mind must be clean and focused, this I would assume is free of alcohol and drugs. You are shifting your very conscious to a higher VL, the experience will be better than any drug you have ever taken try it sober and watch.



Also another question would be about the stream itself, and its psychological effects on your brain. I noticed a post on here said that being exposed to the stream might cause schizophrenia among some people. Does this mean people who have schizophrenia in their family history, and possibly inherited schizophrenia? Or does this mean that people with no prior signs or schizophrenic behavior may develop the problem?


The effects are not on the brain but on your conscious mind, there is not the slightest chance of any harm coming you either on the physical plain or the spiritual plain. There is NO negative effects of entering the stream, this is about making contact with a new species not about frying your brain bro. If they wanted to do that I think is would be easy.




I have heard of drugs such as '___' being shortcuts to this stream you teach about, or possible simularities. Do you know anything about this subject or have formed any opinions on the matter?


No comment except this is not the same stream of the grays.



Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions and concerns I have. I think this evening I will try my first attempt with entering the stream, I will report back monday on what I experienced as well as the other people who are interested in doing it as well.


Your very welcome, please share your experience with the rest of us and also ask for advise and help.



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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AA - Thanks for the quick reply, I am even more exciting about doing it now. It kind of threw me off with everyone saying its DANGEROUS.. perhaps these people need to be more open minded and try it themselves. It seems everyone here who has tried it, share one thing in common. While no two experiences are the same, they all seem to experiece the same warm feelings, or vibrations, as well as hearing the same "water running" sounds. I think that this means something and you skeptics should try it before knocking it. I could be wrong, but I am a firm believer of getting my feet wet in order to proove the water is deep, ya know what I mean?

-hex

Thanks again AA - I will repost my story first hand as well as the experience shared by others on monday. Happy weekend and be safe!



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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We all eagerly await your experience.

AA



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 02:48 PM
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Well I have tried the exersise a few times and some weird stuff happens and each time I do it I seem to get more deeper into some place I never been before if that makes sense? I have not met any aliens yet but the last time I tried the exersise I was able to make colors and shapes easily in my mind and after a while was seeing my own personal light show along with the vibration that started in my eyes and at the point where I felt like I was being drawn into the deep of my mind I got a little worried and stoped the exersise but tonight I am going to try again.

Even if I dont make Alien contact this is a very cool meditation and proves that there is more to the mind then we can currently precieve. I do smoke alot of pot and I hope that is not having a negetive effect on the exersise but I tried it last night hours after I got high.



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 03:20 PM
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The contact comes when the warmth begins, what you are
doing is creating a door way in which the grays can communicate with
you.


How do you know that it is the Grays (or any other alien) that you are talking to?

When dealing with apparent telepathic communication, or any type of mediumship, many mediums will tell you that the entities contacted are habitually tricksters and often lie. Im my own limited experimentation with this (some years ago, using Automatic Writing), I experienced this first-hand...and I seriously doubt that the entities are "aliens" in the sense we are thinking....

Don't know if it's the subconscious, actual entities, spirits, whatever, but it wasn't always a nice experience (especially towards the end)....so just watch your back when playing around with things we may not be ready for.



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 05:42 PM
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I would have far less worry about any form of alien (surely they learned to be peaceful to evolve to the state they are at)
than the exact thing that Gazrok warned about...

I was able to finish the meditation without a headache...
wasn't able to talk to aliens, but sure slept better that night...
I also did notice a nice energizing "hum" to my vibration level...

It was harmless enough to try again...
ET i am calling... pick up dammit...



posted on Oct, 20 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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Ok everything aside the claim of this theory is easy to prove or disprove.
It is very simple. If you are in contact with aliens, ask them to bring a ship to your backyard so you can take some high res photos of it. Then post them here.

When you have done that then the title of your topic will cease to be fraudulent and I will try your 4 colour brain thing.





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