Wow, what a thread!
I just spent many hours reading the whole thing. All of it. Here's what I make of this.
Everything that anyone has related as their experiences seems to be no more then normal experiences with meditation, and entering a relaxed state. The
American Indians reported visions of spirits/ancestors. People of all religeons report visions of God, angels, and other holy/quasi-holy beings. And,
of course, here and, I'm sure, elsewhere people are reporting visions of aliens. All these people truly believe that what they have seen/experienced
is in fact true and real.
Apparently, this is one of the puposes of meditation, to attain a sense of "connectedness" with realms/beings/existance not normally reachable with
the standard 5 senses. Personally, I've never been able to successfully meditate with any method(constant music in my mind does not allow the
requisite stilling of thoughts). I can, however, relate the experiences of a past girlfriend of mine. She meditated for years. Her first "contact"
was with an "ancestor" (she was perhaps 6% Iroquois). Her next, after she had decided she was a Wiccan, was with the "Great Goddess". Some years
later she dropped the Wicca, turned to Christianity, and promptly started contacting "angels".
What this says to me is, as Hank as often stated, that any meditation is a tool to relax and open the mind to itself, which then starts filling the
"absence of thought" with manufactured stimuli, similar to when one is in an isolation tank, and the brain interperates these stimuli as visions.
Visions which manifest as something you are interested in, or have spent a lot of time thinking about. Self-suggestion, as it were.
Not a line to God (maybe in the sense of Thou art God), not a line to ancestors, not a line to aliens. Just a line to your own subconcious. Not that
this is a bad thing. Many positive results are obtained by meditation. Self-delusion, however, is not one of them. In this light, I cannot label this
"proof positive of alien communications". Nothing personal, AA.
I notice, also, a repeating theme of "proof will be here soon-stay tuned". After the requisite wating period, though, it's one of those "You made
contact, you just don't know it" deals.
Now, we're asked to "fill out this questionaire, and the proof will be forthcoming". Come on, people. How many unfulfilled prophecies will you
swallow while still holding fast to the words of the prophet? This is turning more and more into another case of "Follow my path to the truth" and
when said path leads straight to a blank wall, "You're not enlightened enough" (or you're a "carrier" so these colors are your colors and won't
work for you).
Another thing that kinda bugs me is the "I'm better then you" aspect of it. You know, all that "If YOU see an alien, you'll freak out and crap
your pants, but when I see an alien, I am at peace with all things in the universe". I can't speak for everyone, but I've had a basic grip on the
concepts of the multiverse and those who populate it/them and manipulate it/them at their will. I accept light-absorbing materials and the fact that
there is technology out there that I can't begin to understand. While this doesn't make me special, I think it gives me a good chance of witnessing
said multi-dimensional beings without freaking out/crapping myself.
So until I am shown evidence more substantial then un-provable statements backed up by more unprovable statements(i.e. alien comms. proven with
spiritual-type beliefs) I will have to file this under "unproven, weighted towards improbable".
One last thing-
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
I think that having an ignore button on a board promoting the denying of ignorance is pretty ironic, especially when it is used to ignore those that
are denying the ignorance of others.
This has got to be the most significant post of this whole convoluted thread.
Abolish the button!
For this,Hank gets my WATS vote
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