come now, dont he so hasty to make assumptions good sir, for all we know OTD is still one of AA'a accomplices and is merely saying it didnt happen, so we will beleive him.. than 2-3 days later he suddenly remembers it all, im not trying to insult you OTD but, seeing as how i dont know anything about you OR AA, i think it is fair to keep all possibilities open, this however is not my personal beleif, in fact, i havent taken a stance as to what is going on yet. Time will tell..

I guess probed want to hint indirect that my conclusion was made because that post before me.

No it was not. I followed this thread since the very beginning and you know what I think of the grays when you read a few post back.

But I always give the doubt (that I am mistaken) a chance, and AA's methode had been a good oportunity for me to check about the grays first hand.

But next that AA's last few posts not only killed all his/she's/it's/oneness credibility
for me he also showed to me that the grays once more turned out to be the greys in behaviour. There is some things enlightened beeings do not do, and this is doing something against your will.

Remember AA's word? They want you to contact them by your own free will.
More precise they want you to contact one you dont know on your own will.
But this is not a free pass to do then whatever they pls without agreement of the 'subject' to use AA's term. If any beeing things so then they are not the enlightened oneces but the ones that failed.

AA eighter made all up or is honest in his methode but it then bringing you in contact with beeings that will not do good to you. As I say I know more than one that claimed to be in telepathic contact with the grays. And they all live in a very 'disstorted' reality unable to differ between truth and fiction. They have blind believe in their grays. But they 'grays' presented them a lot of dangerous lies.
There were cult's formed around such claimed telepathic gray contacties. I am sure you know the one or the other. None of them was positive.

Both reason enough for me to call for closeing this tread.

I don't know what AA's agenda is, but he/she/it/oneness is not the open amd enlightened one. This alone is very telling for his aliens too. But I wasn't sure till now. Now I am once again.

Believe me I had liked to change my vision of the grays. I still think aliens/the grays might still be the good ones but then it means that AA and a lot others before did not contact the grays but some other 'stupid' beeings or even a human made 'gouvernement/administration' trap.

However this is my conclusion and opinion.

You may (and I know you probed will ) disagree and make your own mind/experience. That's fine and positive.

Originally posted by AmIMad
Hank

All I kept seeing was your avatar!!?? I just couldn't get it out of my head, no matter how hard I tried to ignore it. So, I thought, well I'll just concentrate on this avatar and see if anything happens....... as soon as I mentally decided to do this, I saw what appeared to be an LCD pc monitor, and I could only see the top right hand quarter of it. I could see something round towards the top right, I don't know if it was a circle, a 0 or a ball???

As soon as I saw that, the avatar was gone and I just couldn't concentrate any more.

Now, I know your stance on this thread, but could you just let me know if this means anything at all to you, my friend

many thanks

This is very vague, LCD PC monitors are commonplace now, and a ball in the upper right hand corner could be many things.

However, it would be a disservice to this thread not to acknowledge that as vague as it is, he described my monitor and the wall clock behind it.

This in itself is finally some EVIDENCE to me that SOMETHING might be happening here, and it only took 65 pages to get something.

I was going to answer the rest of the points and questions aimed at me, but I think in light of this evidence, I am going to concentrate my efforts on AmIMad, since to ME he has actually brought forth some evidence that MIGHT be a step closer to figuring something out.

Am I convinced this is Aliens?

No, however, I am more interested in what AmIMad might be able to tell about me. Please AmIMad, if you would do me the service, trying the technique again with the intentions of gaining information about me.

In light of the information that AmIMad has 'pulled out of the stream', I am going to attempt the technique myself over the next few weeks.

This definately stirs the pot a bit.. O_o


[edit on 23-11-2006 by HankMcCoy]

g210b,

I for one agree with your assessment. I too wish to give the benefit of the doubt. I deeply wish the Grays would see the Light. But I have come to find that 99% of contact turns out to be not for the benefit of the contactee.

It is heart-warming, however, to know that there are others that can see through the facade. As long as there are objective individuals that are not afraid to speak their mind, then there is still opportunity to wake up more humans to their own inner divine natures. There is still opportunity to show others that they need not look to false external authorities for answers. My deepest hope is that somehow everyone on this planet will have the chance to know what Life trully is about before they decide on another false choice presented by false authorities. The greatest fear of these aliens is that we discover our true power. For our true power will easily over power the darkest of entities.

enlightened beings do not exist because enlightenement is a road. ENERGY POTENTIAL is infitine in the mind of the entity of the universe. energy pulse x light + universe - intercross x parallel = interposition, it is how they time travel. they do not like to contact becuase it uses a negative energy react of 0.1 to power the craft. they even monitor their soul charge. to quote my future son, "we are so entirely advanced".

...short answer

pure truth is pure love is pure hope is absoulute

the human mind, god

energy is potential is entity

the human heart, earth

[edit on 23-11-2006 by sturod84]

Originally posted by intrepid

Yeah, read the whole thread before baking him if you don't mind.

I question your reasons for posting it here if you have read that thread.

I'm not 'baking' him at all. I simply wanted to clear up his accusation a page back that aliens had done things to him. There's so much negativity being directed towards the aliens and any lies about them need to be addressed quickly.

I'm surprised you're now supporting a liar after you spent so much energy and all of our time trying to prove AA is a liar.

What was said about the aliens was horrific and a lie. It was revealed as a lie elsewhere but not on this thread where the lie was made. So I took the liberty of bringing the truth to the attention of the people following this thread.

Please tell me where I did something wrong?

Originally posted by intrepid
I question your reasons for posting it here if you have read that thread.

I question your reason for questioning his reasons. Guy claims aliens abused him, PBG cleared it up. Hypocrisy at its best.

Personally I think I know what AA is going through and things are quite intense for him/her. I think he/she is experiencing forces that are relatively new to him/her and there is a lot to learn about those forces. For one thing you can't use them for your own benefit. When you think you are you find out later it was you that was being used for their agenda.

From studying countless alien experiences as well as my own it's obvious that we have been placed here by a very advanced species and are now under the authority of a very deceptive species. Deceptive in the sense that they scramble knowledge and use misinformation in order to trap the soul in a maze so it can't leave 3-d .

We can still contact the higher aliens and receive very advanced knowledge, but every now and then, and especially when highly secret knowledge is gained, the lower type of controllers step in and scramble the knowledge so we can't get ahead of ourselves or escape the earth zone. So unless one is very experienced one can be fooled by the lower type of alien and have his or her knowledge stolen or scrambled.

This happened to me as well. I had been interacting with the higher type of alien for weeks and learning a great deal of information, and then the lower type of alien arrived and impersonated the higher type of alien one day. They told me some incredible information about a certain date in the future, which I quickly wrote down. Then when the date arrived and passed without the event they had told me about taking place I knew I had been duped and taken for a fool.

The grays who lied acted very confident and certain that what they were telling me was the truth. But it wasn't. They simply came to scramble my trust in the aliens. To plant a big lie that would throw all my other information into doubt.

Now Amongus was told to 'ask the deceiver'. This is his soul guardian telling him that there are deceptive aliens around who are in charge of this area, and they are the ones to learn about. Until we learn how we are held in darkness by having our information scrambled we won't be able to get out. So we have to learn to get along with the lower type of controlling alien that we have been placed in the custody of by the higher aliens. We have to learn how their minds work so that we can tell when they are misleading us and when they are telling us the truth. They are fun people. They are not evil. They simply have the task of holding souls at this lower level by scrambling information that could potentially set them free.

Once you learn to unconditionally love them then they do admit their true agenda and they may drop the facade for a while and reveal their true wonderful natures. They'll even share some valuable secrets with you.

It's all good and it's all part of God's plan. All we have to do is learn to love all unconditionally, and that's the hardest thing of all it seems.

[edit on 23-11-2006 by probedbygrays]

Not a bad idea, it actualy is a good form of meditation. The greys? and whom might they be? And why would I want to talk to them? more importantly why would they want to talk to us?

I was checking back to see if AA had answered my previous post yet, but it looks like not yet...

Hank ! My G*d, man! You found something!!! LOL AmIMad - props!

I think that's great! It's a start...I'm still sitting here thinking I've been TiVo'd by the grays, but have no idea what happened, or what to expect....

AA, if you're out there, please take a look at my previous post almost at the bottom of pg 64. It starts "AA..."...And thanks a lot for the info!

You know, with the absolutely far out stuff that AA keeps coming up with in his posts, he either is hooked in to something real, or he's got a non-stop, far out imagination....

So, I'm waiting to hear. But, Hank, that's cool! Believe me, if I get to take a dip - consciously - in the stream, I'll try to get some info to post too...

This is very intriguing. And I took a quantam leap and don't even have a souvenir to show for it...

g210b, there is so much disinformation on this subject, and the beings in question are so potentially advanced that we can't begin to understand them until we begin to understand the universe that we are standing in. I think we're so far from a real understanding of this universe - of who or what we really are - that it's hard to ascertain much about these beings.

If you look at cave paintings, pottery, sculpture, paintings, etc., that go as far back as human civilization, you can see the involvement of beings from outer space. If this relationship was a dead end road, it truly would have ended long ago.

It's clear these beings can study us and remain hidden and unnoticed. There is nothing we need to do to aid these beings. It is only them who can aid us. From most of the indications I've seen in recent accounts of interaction, many of these beings are warning us about the damage we're doing to the environment and this planet.

These are the remonstrations of compassionate and sincere beings on behalf of this universe. One of the messages I keep seeing loud and clear is that we don't understand the wonder that it is to be alive in this universe; that we're so involved in such a small, fearful, petty existence. Break through those fears, because they keep you back from so much. And I'm not talking about the natural, necessary fears that keep you safe, but the fears of the unknown and of darkness that only needs the light of understanding. Do not fear what you don't understand - understand it!

If anyone is to be feared it is man. If anything, we have been guided spiritually, and technologically to be where we are today. You don't nurture, guide and lead a species just to destroy it.

Of course, this is assuming one believes in this outside assistance. But I don't know how you can look at depictions of space craft and space men in history and feel there wasn't an involvement there. And for all intents and purposes, a positive one. Whatever evils have befallen our societies and cultures, look no further than the greedy, paranoid, power hungry of us and you will see where evil truly originates in this world.

I'm trusting the universe on this one. And I'm trusting the process. I've never been lead to do wrong, or to those who do wrong. I trust that I was lead to this technique. And if I was wrong, then I take responsibility and I will right or correct what I did wrong. I'm pretty adventerous when it comes to this stuff. And open minded. It goes with the territory.

If anyone else decides to meditate with this technique there is nothing that will befall them that their spirit, their guides, their friends and family that have passed, angels, or their God has not allowed. Period. We are all protected much more than you know.

But this and other meditations - much deeper and more powerful meditations - have been part of religious and spiritual practice, in all races - for eons. This is how we connect with the deeper, subtler parts of ourselves, and how we bring ourselves in tune with this universe. These are essential practices. It's when people lose this part of themselves and identify simply with the physical universe around them that they become separated from the source within.

So just go with your gut. Your intuition. And if you stumble on the path, or feel inside you are where you shouldn't be, then correct it. Each of us has the ability and power to do that.

Part of the irony is that we are being shown that we have many more abilities than we think we have, and this being shown to us is contrary to how a harmful, malicious race would treat a weaker race that it wished to subjugate(?). I'm not saying this is the sole reason I'm willing to want to contact these beings, but I've not seen where we (humans) are necessary to make anything happen for this and other advanced races. In other words, they don't need my help.

It's all good in my opinion. Everyone's opinion on the subject obviously varies, but until we "know" and truly "understand" ourselves and this universe, there will be misunderstanding, disagreement and unnecessary fear. In truth, there is nothing to fear, only understand. Probedbygrays is right - unconditional love. This universe is built on it, and it's the most powerful force in the universe.

[edit on 23-11-2006 by OnTheDeck]

[edit on 23-11-2006 by OnTheDeck]

Originally posted by probedbygrays
...we have been placed here...

...under the authority...

...trap the soul...

...lower type of controllers...

...who are in charge of this area...

...placed in the custody of...

...task of holding souls...

These are a few of the subtle twists that are used to make humans believe they are not in control of themselves. To trick humans into giving up their own free-will. To get humans to succumb to an external false authority.

Each individual is their own authority, period. No one needs aliens to access intelligent infinity. Every entity has everything they need to know all of existence.

One sentence talks about unconditional love and another talks about controllers. If there was any love whatsoever in these entities they would simply leave humanity alone to evolve. But they don't. They enable the most selfish amoung us to get control over us physically. Enable them to suppress our own creativity so that we basically become robot slaves to a heartless system.

Then these aliens step in and wrap their sinister agendas in sound-good packages of unconditional love. Why can't they see that this is not the way to progress for us or them? It just shows how trapped their own consciousnesses are by darkness.

I do apologize for the diatribe. It's just hard to sit back and watch these subtle twists by my own people against my own people. Talk about feeling betrayed.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
Then these aliens step in and wrap their sinister agendas in sound-good packages of unconditional love.

Well actually it is Christ who taught love thine enemies. Love is the way we can rise out of our hatred and fear and meet the aliens face to face. The aliens are not all loving, even though some of them are. They've taken me back to the higher realms and let my soul free for a time, and shown me their own souls. Up there we are all thousands of times more alive than down here. But down here they act cold and emotionless, and scramble our knowledge, all purposefully so that we won't learn to love them, and we won't have the knowledge to escape. If we love them unconditionally then it melts their cold mask. Many of them purposefully do things to bring out peoples hatred so that people will be trapped by their own hatred.

So it's not the aliens that preach love, it is The Christ. As humans we should follow his example perpetually. I don't see the aliens telling us what to do anywhere. They suggest things sometimes but leave the decisions to us.

Also, the tight control the aliens carry out is so that peoples destinies all play out exactly on time. It wouldn't be any good if your destiny was to meet someone at a particular point in time but you were late. And also the lower alien controllers themselves are controlled from a central computer that synchronizes everything perfectly. So they are not free to exploit us or anything. they are all workers in the system that is educating souls.

From what I have gathered souls are so very powerful that they have to learn all about how to handle their godly powers before they are allowed to use them. And so they are sent to these lower school type worlds to learn all about good and evil first. The seemingly bad aliens controlling this lower world are just the workers helping keep the school running smoothly. I know it looks like they are exploiting us but they ain't. They're happy to let us think they are though so that our information is scrambled by hatred and fear.

They've taken me out of this school world a number of times. We all come from a much higher world where we are thousands of times more alive than down here in the school world. But we can't be free and have our superior powers until we know how to use those powers.

That's what I believe from spending years with the various aliens, both good and bad, anyway..

I understand the belief, I really do. I can see the logic in it. I agree with most of what you say. I agree completely about learning to love (accept, appreciate) all faces of the Creator which includes all those that choose to be in the dark. I know that beyond the energy realm where these entities reside; beyond the physical/energy universe is the realm of souls. The place of our true sovereignty. I do appreciate the lessons the dark is able to provide.

But the twist is what gets me. It is not mandatory for God to learn how to be God. It is not required for any of us to be here. That is just categorically false. The physical/energy universe is not required at all. It was created because we wanted to experience a pseudo-separation from the Oneness. When this twist is introduced it belittles what we actually are. It keeps the unrealized mind stuck in loops of thinking itself unworthy. It keeps us trapped. All of us. All the races that are currently playing the duality game.

It's not just about humanity. What about the aliens. Their path is one of eventual non-existance by their own hand. The constant seeking of creative suppression cuts off their own power so they have to forever seek power from others. There will come a point when they will only be memories of the Creator. This whole universe thing is about creation not suppression. I feel just as much for the aliens as I do for the humans. This whole drama is completely unnecessary.

Souls are not sent anywhere, they choose. Yet another subtle twist the aliens use to keep us from realizing our true nature. There are souls that never incarnated anywhere in the physical/energy realms. To make it sound necessary is the twist. It's sinister by it's intent.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon


It is not mandatory for God to learn how to be God. It is not required for any of us to be here. .. The physical.. universe is not required at all. It was created because we wanted to experience a pseudo-separation from the Oneness. When this twist is introduced it belittles what we actually are. It keeps the unrealized mind stuck in loops of thinking itself unworthy. It keeps us trapped. ....

That sounds like a very confused God that would voluntarily trap itself in a lower state just to get away from itself. As far as I've been taught we are God's children or children of Gods and we are here to learn about good and evil.

Souls are not sent anywhere, they choose. .. There are souls that never incarnated anywhere in the physical/energy realms...

Well the actual soul never incarnates. It is held at a higher level at all times. But it's consciousness or astral form is projected here via technology, kind of like advanced remote viewing, and apparently all souls have to experience this earth realm at some time. Many of the aliens said they envied me because I was in the earth school and they had not done their schooling yet.

I've met a few people and read cases of people that were told by the aliens that before they came to the earth they were workers involved in transporting souls too and from the earth realm. So some of the aliens working around us are due to be sent into this school realm at some stage, and some of us were in their exact positions before we came here.

Technically the souls have their consciousness sent here while they're held in suspended animation at a higher level. So even if this world exploded into dust all the souls here would still be safe at the higher level.

Hey guys! I was out all day (yes, that's how long the new Bond movie is). I'm glad your going to try it Hank! Yes, it does work. However, lately for me I haven't been working with the Grays or any other aliens (as far as I know). For me it's like a plane trip. You kindof have to prepare yourself and I have been very busy, etc.

I was curious, Probed (BTW thanks for your reply from the u2u) what you thought of Uri Geller's interaction with aliens. Are they the Grays? Hmm, I wonder because he seems to think aliens are the source of his power. However, since my freshman year of college I've been able to "weaken metal" so it bends similar to his (way out of practice though). I don't recall any interaction with aliens other than the time I saw 2 u.f.o.'s above my Aunt's farm when I was a young teenager.

You can download some of his books for free at www.uri-geller.com

Peace and Love as always

AA
yo baby very interesting sh** man.
Tell us more about your visions of their bases.

I am on th fence, but I'm leaning towards recognizing the exisitence of ETs.

Originally posted by Michael_1286
I am on th fence, but I'm leaning towards recognizing the exisitence of ETs.

Believe that extratime [ET] beings are VERY real. They ARE. I will reccomend you truth dosage via U2U. As well having the oppertunity to see an ET for yourself, not in cyberspace.

7A

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