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Originally posted by TaupeDragon
I would be grateful if you could answer this question for me: does the concept of the Umma, that is the totality of muslims override national loyalties? Would you say that you were American first, or a muslim first?
Originally posted by TaupeDragon
I'm not from the US, but now live in Canada and it is my perception that here, at least, people tend to be better integrated into society than the UK, which is my homeland. Which brings me to my second question:
Do you think that the 'melting pot' of US-style integration is better than the 'multi-cultural' approach in the UK? A recent British poll appeared to show that at least a small minority of muslims are conflicted when it comes to a war on terrorism.
He was the reason (in part, along with Bush) why the muslims are viewed with suspicious and hateful eyes these days.
Book Reportedly Cancelled Over Fears of Muslim Violence
Posted by Al Brown on September 30, 2006 - 12:15.
Rioting and threats of violence from Muslim extremists have apparently triumphed once again over the First Amendment. According to psychoanalyst Dr. Nancy Kobrin and noted feminist Phyllis Chesler, who wrote the introduction, Kobrin's new book, "The Sheikh's New Cloth: The Naked Truth about Islamic Suicide Terrorism", was to be published in November by Looseleaf Law Publications, Inc., but Dr. Kobrin's contract was suddenly cancelled over concerns for their staff's safety.
newsbusters.org...
She was 65 and had devoted her life to the care of sick mothers and children. She was on her way to meet three other nuns for lunch on Sunday when two gunmen shot her several times in the back. "Her slaying was not a random attack," the Associated Press reported. It "raised concerns" that she was the latest victim of "growing Islamic radicalism in the country."
Raised concerns? Sister Leonella was gunned down less than two days after a prominent Somali cleric had called on Muslims to kill Pope Benedict XVI for his remarks about Islam in a scholarly lecture last week.
www.boston.com...
The internal war within the Muslim world, which is as old as Islam itself, went savagely global in the final decades of the last century. On 9/11 this internal conflict among Muslims erupted inside the United States, awakening America to the international menace of radical Islam in much the same way as Japanese militarism did 60 years earlier at Pearl Harbor.
www.hyscience.com...
They have also engaged in violence, as reported by The New York Times: "And in the West Bank town of Nablus on Saturday, a day after street protests and grenades were thrown at a church in the Gaza Strip, two churches were lightly damaged in firebombings. A group calling itself the 'Lions of Monotheism' said the attacks were in reaction to the pope's remarks."www.newsmax.com...
About 4 p.m. on Friday, July 28, on the eve of the Jewish sabbath, a Muslim terrorist of Pakistani origins named Naveed Afzal Haq forced a 14-year-old girl to get him into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building by holding a gun to her back. He then pulled out the two large-caliber semi-automatic pistols he had just purchased and went on a murderous rampage.
www.libertypost.org...
If Muslims want to prove that their religion is a “religion of peace,” they’re certainly going about it the wrong way. In response to one line in a 3700 word academic speech on reason and faith by Pope Benedict, Muslims have attacked seven churches with firebombs and guns, and murdered a nun. This violence has taken place in just three days. All indications are that much more violence against Catholics and churches is on the way, and that the Pope’s life is in grave danger. In fact, one Muslim cleric has issued an order to Muslims to kill the pope.
www.chronwatch.com...
A small percentage of Indonesian Muslims have carried out violence in the name of Islam and a large percentage say they are prepared to do so.
The Center for Islamic and Social Studies (PPIM), Pusat Pengajian Islam dan Masyarakat, carried out a survey on religion and violence in which was given the following results:
* 0.1% have helped forcibly close illegal churches;
* 14.7% were prepared to help forcibly close illegal churches;
* 1.3% have committed “intimidation” against those considered to be blasphemers of Islam;
* 18.1% support the murder of Muslims who converted to other faiths;
* 20% supported the Bali bombings;
* 40% were prepared to commit violence against those blaspheming Islam;
* 44% were prepared to wage jihad on threatening non-Muslims;
* 61% supported the waging of jihad on threatening non-Muslims;
www.indonesiamatters.com...
Originally posted by factfinder38
I think that most Americans are good people who will gladly welcome any good people to their neighborhood no matter the religon. The only thing problem is that we have rules in this country that if someone comes here they must follow. For instance we do not allow Wife beating and Genital mutilation that some religons practice, and if that is what some want they should not come here. Everyone should get to know the people around them and make a effort to understand that everyone has their quirks.
He was the reason (in part, along with Bush) why the muslims are viewed with suspicious and hateful eyes these days
Originally posted by factfinder38
half-minded
Yes wife beating, some religons think they have the right even when they are in this country.
The Genital mutilation I am talking about is Female so maybe you should research before you jump to any conclusions.
path.org...
www.care.org...
[edit on 15-10-2006 by factfinder38]
Originally posted by semperfortis
I....
Emphasis on "I" was NOT comparing...
You stated this..
He was the reason (in part, along with Bush) why the muslims are viewed with suspicious and hateful eyes these days
I simply replied with several of the THOUSANDS or news articles portraying the "Peaceful" religion engaged in violent actions.
Originally posted by semperfortis
Is it that you feel the Muslims have the right to kill Nuns, burn Churches and Kill because someone else is being violent?
Is it your contention that two wrongs make a right?
Originally posted by semperfortis
Are you aware that there are currently 20 major armed conflicts being waged around the world and Muslims are engaged in EVERY single one? The United States, i.e. Bush is only in 2.
Originally posted by semperfortis
Who are the "Moderates?"
People are quick to criticize and question the 'moderate' muslims of not standing up against radical muslim leaders. Tell me, how many americans actually stood up against Bush and stopped him from killing thousands of people in Iraq and afghanistan. Surely, not every single person living in those countries was a terrorist.
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
It's disturbing to see you deny that Muslims are perpetrating violence in the name of Allah.
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
Roughly 50% voted AGAINST Bush in the last election. Many stood up against Bush. Many STILL stand up against his policies. Your point makes no sense. If you look at recent polling, a majority of americans disaprove of his handling of the situation.
So, I guess that answers your question. The rest of your original post and the resulting arguement detracts from the real point, and that being Bush has MANY MILLIONS of people that OPENLY oppose him and his policies.
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
The rest of your original post and the resulting arguement detracts from the real point, and that being Bush has MANY MILLIONS of people that OPENLY oppose him and his policies.
People are quick to criticize and question the 'moderate' muslims of not standing up against radical muslim leaders. Tell me, how many americans actually stood up against Bush and stopped him from killing thousands of people in Iraq and afghanistan.
Originally posted by HankMcCoy
I see myself falling into your trap of 'point out where I said yadda yadda', but here it comes anyway..
People are quick to criticize and question the 'moderate' muslims of not standing up against radical muslim leaders. Tell me, how many americans actually stood up against Bush and stopped him from killing thousands of people in Iraq and afghanistan.
Though you never used a question mark, you actually asked a question here. This question, when coupled with your opening remark, form the basis of the topic and overall intention of the original post. This is what I chose to point out, as it is the only QUESTION you have actually raised in a post full of argument fodder. Although, maybe that is all this thread is looking for in the first place, after I reread the title it becomes apparant.
For someone that is trying to repair goodwill and erase Osama's evils.. you sure aren't very diplomatic.