What the grays are

Ok lets say this
if you look at our science now we are messing around with DNA
so here i go

lets say 10000 years from now earth is a mess and we as humans have changed our DNA so much that we can't reproduce anymore but we have time travel.
so we go back take some DNA and try to fix things up but mess up history

think of what we might look like.
all the same,gray from no sun,by then the sun would have cooled off.
so whos to say grays are not really humans from our future.
and think about it if thats true there not going to let us know too much becouse
then history will change .

Originally posted by probedbygrays
Well I didn't have a camera and it was quite far away so I would have needed an expensive camera to zoom in on it. I told the owner of the astronomy center and he was too busy putting on a show for people and said he didn't have time to check it out.

Quite convenient that you didn't have a camera. In fact, even more convenient that it sat in the same spot for days and you still didn't feel the need to find, buy, or borrow a camera. However, it was close enough for you to identify as being metallic and spherical with the naked eye, which means that thousands of other people must have seen it in your town, hence there must have been a report on it in your local media. So please go through the web archives of your local newspaper and link us to the report.

I also see that you are friendly with the local "owner of the astronomy center", so please U2U me the dates of the sighting along with the email of that astronomy center, I would like to contact the center directly and ask them about that day.

Years later it appeared again in the exact same spot and I told some people on the web about it.

Did you have a camera this time? No? Why didn't you go and buy one after the last episode? Are we to believe that you never ever have a simple camera in your household, even over the course of "years"? Can you not afford one? If so, how do you afford a computer and an Internet connection?

I still don't have an expensive camera that could zoom in on something at that distance. And anyway there are countless pictures like that so they are not exactly proof of aliens or ufo's. Someone will always say they are not proof.

Sorry, but that's not going to cut it. If you could identify it as silver, metallic, and spherical with the naked eye, then it would show up quite well on a normal camera. And "I could show you proof but you wouldn't believe it anyway, so why bother" is the lamest excuse I've ever seen. Show us the proof and we'll be the judge.

I could ask my son to give you his description of it as he was the one that told me about it. But you would probably just say it was me pretending to be my son, or that we were both seeing weather balloons etc.

Or that you were simply making it up.

Millions of people are encountering aliens and ufos but no one is able to obtain irrefutable proof. There's always an alternate explanation and people always believe that instead.

You keep repeating this mantra, but it's not going to work as your escape clause. You are not "millions of people", you are one person in our living room making outrageous claims of direct personal experience, and we are calling you out. We want to believe, so show us something of substance, not more ant people stories and "the astronomy center owner was too busy" excuses straight out of a B-grade movie.

[edit on 2006-10-17 by wecomeinpeace]

I'm sorry I can't help you any more than I already have. You're obviously looking to bann me so just do it.

Did I say I was going to ban you? No. If you had done anything ban-worthy, you would be banned, simple. This "I know you want to ban me" playing the victim act is simply another tactic to dodge legitimate questions concerning your claims.

Please answer the questions I posed, specifically:

1. Explain your mysterious lack of a camera over the course of years.

2. Provide reports from your local media corroborating your sightings.

3. Provide dates of the events and contact details for your local "astronomy center" so that I may contact them myself.

Thanks.

I told you I can't help you. I'm sorry.

And there's no way I'm giving my personal data to a stranger on the web who uses pictures of Bin Laden and Sadanm Hussein as his avatars.

I've reported you!

Originally posted by probedbygrays
I told you I can't help you. I'm sorry.

Then since you blankly refuse to assist in any simple efforts to corroborate your claims, we can consider you a hoaxer?

And there's no way I'm giving my personal data to a stranger on the web who uses pictures of Bin Laden and Sadanm Hussein as his avatars.

I'm not asking for your personal details. I'm asking for the dates of your sightings, and the email contact of your local "astronomy center". If I were the type to cyberstalk people, I would not be a moderator here. However all the location of the astronomy center will tell me is your very approximate location, which I could simply get from your IP anyway.

I've reported you!

Really? To whom? And for what?

Back on the topic... I'd say someone else's 'Bio-Engineered' lifeforms and now with the advent of our dupicating and learning of these and many other exotic technologies and many other advancements which have secretly propelled us into this arena perhaps some are even our own 'Bio-Engineered Deep Space Lifeforms'
which are not only controlled and manufactured as much as other exotic weapons and propulsion systems but which might help explain many bizzarre cattle mutilations and other strange events as i highly doubt aliens from a distant galaxy would come down here in ufos and or black mysterious helicopters which make no noise to ignore mankind and only abduct them and take body parts as needed.
Thats a little too farfetched for me.... in the Santilli film when the supposed alien or dummy or bioengineered freak is splayed out if anyone recalls these supposed medical examiners knew exactly to remove a (perhaps) protective film from the eyes revealing albeit a very large pair of normal looking eyes perhaps a bit to large to be human eyes but which reminded me quite awefully of a cows eyes in terms of their basic look and over-all dimension and diameter.
Not claiming it was real nor from roswell for that matter but it is an interesting observation to make in the sense that most supposed 'Aliens' have large orbital sockets and eyes that appear black according to descriptions and could it be that their eyes are not black at all but a film to protect the eyesight from different environments and/or that behind this black coloration of their eyes is a very normal set of large cow eyes as well as other cow parts to facilitate their over-all construction? Also if one or several hundreds could be created initially could these in turn not also be cloned accounting for many abductees claims of having viewed tubes of some sort with alien embryos? The question is are there aliens incapable of having children that are cloning other aliens or is someone else now having advanced enough techonologically speaking perpetrating the almost perfect fraud by creating these 'BioForms' for other clandestine reasons?
The more one thinks of the entire 'Alien' agenda the more it smells like cheese and the more it smells the more it makes one think these aliens don't seem to be operating/behaving as perhaps a real alien might or would and instead seem more interested in lying to us toying and fooling us and playing ring around our normal aircrafts while buzzing opposing sides of earths superpowers which seems more like a tongue in cheek game of cat and mouse between this worlds superpowers than true visitors from a different star system. UncleSam and the rest of the worlds superpowers are lying to us and although i've no doubt that there are genuine alien lifeforms the current tongue and cheek seems more like a game being played between superpowers thanks to their advanced toys and the almighty taxpayers dollars which helped to fund all this madness and after all who'd want to admit to toying with genetics let alone playing god and/or creating 'Bio-life forms' or dissecting cows and abducting people when its easier to let the world see ufos and little beings and then feign ignorance and downplay them so people can draw their own conclusions making them ignorantly look for little green men when the world should responsibly be cleaning up its own act and helping the planet as a whole rather than playing war-chess constantly with other superpowers.
It all stinks rotten and even if the worlds superpowers were to ever come clean they'd have to lie in order to do so at this point since they're already up to their eyeballs or neck deep in their own web of deceit.
I just hope someone is listening before the entire planet comes crashing down after so many years of B.S. try using existing technologies not so much for defense or war even if in part it is needed, understood and acceptable but most importantly for the salvation of the human race as a whole.

[edit on 17-10-2006 by fckemall]

yes I think that's quite rational to theorize that some grays are Frankenstein creations. The grays and aliens millions of people are meeting are multidimensional beings that can appear and vanish instantly as if they are spiritual entities. So when those people come to a ufo/alien forum and say they saw a gray or alien the people think they imagined it; because everybody knows that some 3d Frankenstein grays have been sighted and they are far more solid and verifiable than the seemingly fantasy grays that vanish beside peoples beds.

But it is the multidimensional grays that are the real advanced grays. The other frankenstein ones would be just space suits for traveling in the 3d as a solid being.



The grays taught me exactly how to create cyborg droids. I was going to start a thread about it. However I'm being called upon to give proof of my claims so I would have to make my pet cat into a droid to appease the masses !

Yes but that is an interesting theory you have come up with about the cows eyes and all. I don't buy the us-soviet mind game bit but anything is possible I guess.

Originally posted by probedbygrays
The grays taught me exactly how to create cyborg droids. I was going to start a thread about it. However I'm being called upon to give proof of my claims so I would have to make my pet cat into a droid to appease the masses !

Yes. Please do. Capture or buy a rodent of some sort (mouse, rat, squirrel, anything will do) turn it into a cyborg droid, buy yourself a camera finally, and post pictures of it here on ATS. We'll even give you a special thread linked on the front page to show your Squirrel-borgs to the world. Please let us know the timetable for your cyborg creation so that we may make the necessary preparations.

Originally posted by probedbygrays
Well I didn't have a camera and it was quite far away so I would have needed an expensive camera to zoom in on it.

I take it then that we should assume that you don't know how to use a phone because one call to a local news agency would have them coming out to investigate with their expensive cameras and big, expensive zoom lenses.

Originally posted by probedbygrays
Straight away someone phoned me and just said my name then hung up.

Wow, an alien vessel hovers over your house for weeks and it doesn't register on your excit-o-meter but someone ringing up, saying your name and then hanging up completely freaks you out. Well, those responses seem proportionate....

Originally posted by probedbygrays
I still don't have an expensive camera that could zoom in on something at that distance.

But the local media certainly would and yet you never bothered to contact any of them.

Originally posted by probedbygrays
It takes someone brave or stupid to stick around and talk about their experiences in forums that demand proof.

Actually, no. I'd say it would take a completely normal, rational person to succeed in the Aliens and UFO ATS forum.

Except for the hardcore skeptics, most people that frequent this forum are already believers. Whether it be Drake's equation, the myriad of reports and images or a gut feeling, most people already believe.

This belief however progesses to curiosity. Having accepted the existence of extra terrestrial life a fascination in that life develops. This is where I find your story narcissistic, ego-centric and selfish.

You talk about visiting other worlds, meeting dopplegangers and all these other "experiences" that do nothing more than say "look at me, I'm special and I've done and gone to all these exciting, amazing places - jealous?"

Moreso, if you have made this story up then I'd say you don't even actually believe in aliens, because you don't exhibit the kind of curiosity of an accepting believer. In all your contact with aliens, ever ask them these questions:

How did they evolve, what is their planet like; what is their greatest technological achievement; their greatest leader; do they listen to music; watch movies or play sport.

How many other alien species are out there; what are galactic economics like; what about galactic politics; is there another species out there at our same level of technology that they know of; what are alien animals like; what is the most interesting planet they have ever discovered; is all life carbon based (silicon life forms maybe); are there any repeating life forms (can a dog evolve on another planet?); do they have pets?

What about their history, development, did they have any wars, are there any wars going on in the Universe now. Is the galaxy split up into territory that different species control; what's their most recent technological breakthrough/advancement; is there fashion on their planet or has the same attire been worn for millenia, who invented the propulsion system that lets them explore the universe; does your species play video games or watch porn?

I was able to tap those questions out in a couple of minutes because they were fueled by enthusiasm and genuine curiosity. Was I ever contacted by aliens they'd have to drug (or probe) me to shut up because I would not be able to stop asking questions about them.

In contrast, the information that you offer us places you as the disseminator to the answers of life and our existence. Rather lofty don't you think?

And what an answer it is. You tell us that no matter how much our life sux (or even how evil and dangerous we are) it will all be ok because the time Lords are making alternate existences for us where we get it all right and end up in blissful paradise anyway.

Heck, I'd rather know if they watched Porn...

Pokey Oats

Originally posted by rejarndt
think of what we might look like.
all the same,gray from no sun,by then the sun would have cooled off.
so whos to say grays are not really humans from our future.

The problem is, our Sun will still be kicking in 10,000 years... the human species is more likely to die off long before the Sun even begins to show drastic cooling.

[edit on 17-10-2006 by firebat]

Ok. so each time 'time' splits you would then need another timelord to step in and take charge of that reality, considering the infinite amount of realities that could be created this is a ridiculous story!!! So when a decision is made in these multiple realities how does a grey emerge from nowhere and take controll of it? And dont say they are all there to start with because there is literally infinite amounts of decisions that could be made off even the smallest scenario!

Posts like this are now the main reason i dont visit this site much, its gotten like a joke to me now so i dont bother with it really

Originally posted by kungfubeats
Posts like this are now the main reason i dont visit this site much, its gotten like a joke to me now so i dont bother with it really

And yet you posted. No one twisted your arm to read and respond to this thread.

I don't agree with his theory or claims but I think it's interesting to debate such things. Everyone's got their own views and opinions on these things.

[edit on 18-10-2006 by firebat]

Originally posted by Pokey Oats
You talk about visiting other worlds, meeting dopplegangers and all these other "experiences" that do nothing more than say "look at me, I'm special and I've done and gone to all these exciting, amazing places - jealous?"
Pokey Oats

I hate to say it for the sake of staying out of debates which can hurt or break someone's 'fantasy world' or 'quiet time place' or whatever it is that gets them by halfway happily in life, but you have said precisely what I was going to say in more or less words.

I don't like to enter those debates or arguements, or make comments in the person or on the internet that can cause a negative effect on someone else because I care too much about their feelings. I feel like, they must already be somewhat fragile, at least frayed around the edges like myself, except more-so to be thinking up such experiences and claiming them utterly truthful. Then I think, if they try to defend their claims without having proof and they are unknowingly making themself look worse or untruthful to this extent than telling these fake experiences must be truly important for this person; it must get them by day to day, it must do something for them that they need.

And I don't want to point that out, because who wants to look like that in front of their peers, or anyone else? So I don't say the words that would cut through the verbal-middle ground we create when having such debates, because I'd rather go quietly knowing I didn't upset anyone or ruin anyone's thing, regardless of how false it may be, because that makes me feel like a good person and it comes naturally.

But I think I just did it anyway. It was the 'local astronomy center' and 'too busy putting on shows to be interested' that threw my mental car permanently off the road here..

An A+ for creating the assumption of rectal intrusion by intrumentation to probe therein though.


[edit on 10/18/2006 by runetang]

The grays are something so incredible one has to meet them to appreciate them. I just wanted to explain that they are creating parallel lives out of our earth lives. But I can't prove that of course. It's shown to me clearly by the grays. Over the years they've shown me various parallel lives and I knew I and everyone had a few of them. But recently they have shown me that they created parallel lives at specific points where decisions were made so that they could live out the consequences of each separate decision. It's not as simple as that because when they show me I realize acutely that it really was me that lived those parallel lives. It's not that someone else or a puppet of me goes off to live them, but it is actually me? So the grays have godlike powers to do something like that I suspect.

As far as one poster above wondering how an alternate life can also have a time lord in control of it well it seems obvious that if they can split a human life into many separate timelines that are all essentially the same person, then they could do the same with themselves and have one of themselves with each parallel person. There was a poster called phractal or something and he explained that he was shown how one life can split into 10,000 and still be one. I wish I had taken the time to speak to him about it now?

A gray showed me last night how they create parallel worlds.

He showed me that we exist inside a god-like light which is like liquid mirror-like crystal with unlimited facets all beaming light of a slightly different hue. And when a gray wants to create a parallel life he/she uses the mirror-like quality of the light to lock this part of us in the reality we are in, while it allows our soul or part of it to pass through the mirror aspect of the light into various different facets of the all pervading light which contain slightly different but parallel realities.

And in that way the gray uses the all pervading light to create many parallel lives which are each held in place by the mirror-like aspect of the light, and which each exist in a slightly altered aspect or facet of the all pervading liquid-crystal-like light.

I was also shown pages of mathematical codes that represented each parallel life. I couldn't understand the codes at all. Each code was about 7 lines of unbroken mathematical symbols separated by a line.

[edit on 21-10-2006 by probedbygrays]

What is the news on your cyborg creation, please?

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
What is the news on your cyborg creation, please?

I will never create a cyborg.

The aliens showed me how they create them. But I said no one here would believe me unless I turned my pet cat into a cyborg as proof. I was joking of course.

As I said, you can capture a rodent and turn it into a cyborg.

Pictures, please.

Wrong post.

[edit on 10/21/2006 by ThichHeaded]