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The Raelians




Topic started on 12-10-2006 @ 11:05 AM by nomadrush


As one of the three guests on my show tomorrow night (Friday) I have RAEL the leader of the Raelian movement talking about his beliefs and why he started the Raelians. (See www.rael.org)

They made the news recently with their "adopt a clitoris" campaign, and have long been associated with human cloning.

I had their UK spokesman on my show a few months ago, and it was a very interesting and entertaining feature, and i'm sure Rael will prove just as interesting tomorrow night.

Please tune in from 9 p.m. UK time on Friday and if you have any questions, e-mail them to studio@nettalkradio.co.uk

Ross



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:11 AM by Dr Love



Originally posted by nomadrush
They made the news recently with their "adopt a clitoris" campaign...


You can't just throw that out there without explaining what the hell it is.

Can it be explained without being vulgar? It sounds like a campaign I might be interested in.

Peace



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:14 AM by SpeakerofTruth


RAEL is an athiest. I have no interest in what he has to say. Sorry.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:24 AM by sanctum


Ah, but SpeakerofTruth, that's not denying ignorance



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:43 AM by thelibra


To summarize the Raelian Movement:

They believe that we were created by the Elohim, a space-faring people more advanced than humanity by 25,000 years, who were, in turn, created by another older spacefaring people, who were created by a different even older spacefaring people, etc...

This is why they are very pro-cloning. They believe it is our destiny and duty to create yet another life and seed some other place with it eventually. But before that point they want to create an embassey on Earth, to welcome the Elohim when they return (along with Jesus, Mohammed, The Buddha, etc) sometime before the year 2035. The purpose of the embassey is to provide a neutral ground and airspace for them that does not intrude or endorse any particular country.

There are two related foundations, "Clonaid" (clonaid.com) which is supposedly unaffiliated with the Raelian Movement, despite the fact it is run by a Raelian (Dr. Brigitte Boisselier) and shares the same beliefs. The other is "The Raelian Foundation", which is set up to support Rael financially so that he may devote all of his time to the Raelian Movement in lieu of working.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:46 AM by nomadrush


Here's the link that may answer your question

www.raelianews.org...

Ross



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 11:51 AM by nomadrush


SpeakerofTruth - you say that Rael is an Athiest, but does he not have the same right to speak as someone who is a believer in a faith that has seemingly less real evidence?

As someone who likes to give everyone the same opportunity on my show, I am sorry to hear you won't be listening, but I would make the comment that perhaps you of all people SHOULD be listening as you need to know what HE has to say, not just what the media says about him, before making your judgement.

Ross



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:24 PM by SpeakerofTruth



Originally posted by nomadrush
SpeakerofTruth - you say that Rael is an Athiest, but does he not have the same right to speak as someone who is a believer in a faith that has seemingly less real evidence?

As someone who likes to give everyone the same opportunity on my show, I am sorry to hear you won't be listening, but I would make the comment that perhaps you of all people SHOULD be listening as you need to know what HE has to say, not just what the media says about him, before making your judgement.

Ross


Well,that's true. Some of what he states is not entirely false. I do believe that their has been some manipulation with the human gene pool. I also think that cloning may be a way that God is working throuh science to bring about his kingdom, but that is all conjecture.

Ross, by all means, my "animosity" in that post was not directed towards you having him on your program. My biggest "beef" with him is that he denies a creator, an ultimate being.

As far as being a "believer in a faith that has seemingly less real evidence," I can tell you that I do not practice a faith, per se. I am Christian in that I believe in Jesus Christ, but I am by no means an orthodox Christian. Most would probably label me a Gnostic or "new age" Christian.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:25 PM by thelibra


Hey Ross,

Us Yanks don't get much in the way of UK radio besides the BBC, and even then it's pretty much just news coverage on NPR. Are you could to make a podcast or a mp3 or something so those of us in the US can listen in?

I currently think the Raelians are a bunch of nuts, but like you said, I like to give everyone the chance to speak their mind and tell their side of the story before casting final judgment. Their shpiel on your show may not change my mind, but I'd like to say I gave them a chance to be heard.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:26 PM by SpeakerofTruth



Originally posted by sanctum
Ah, but SpeakerofTruth, that's not denying ignorance


True I think that I somewhat made an offhanded remark. I do that from time to time.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:30 PM by thelibra



Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
My biggest "beef" with him is that he denies a creator, an ultimate being.



Point of clarification, SoT, the Raelians very much believe in a creator, but rather not that they should be worshipped. They think this because their creators allegedly told them they don't want to be worshiped, they just want to be loved. That sounds kinda like a long-haired bearded man I once read about.

BTW, they also believe in Jesus and the other prophets, and that they were created by humanity's creators as a direct representative. Soooo... really you have no reason to have any beef with them.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:41 PM by nomadrush


Thanks for clarifying those points.

I personally DO believe in a creator, but I happen to think that the worst thing that ever happened to Christianity - was Christians themselves and all the in-fighting that goes on in the so-called name of religion!

I believe that if I wish to talk to my creator, I can do it just as easily from my own room as I could from any church building.

"Thelibra" - I do get some podcasts up here on ATS but have had a lot of problems with the uploads of late, but will do my best to get more up in the future.

Ross



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:49 PM by SpeakerofTruth



Originally posted by nomadrush
I believe that if I wish to talk to my creator, I can do it just as easily from my own room as I could from any church building.

Ross



How very true!! You see, that is one of the biggest hang up many "christians" have. They think that all prays exit a buiding that they call "their church." You can pray and worship anywhere you want. God is always present and hears,sees,and knows all.



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reply posted on 12-10-2006 @ 12:59 PM by yeahright


I'd love to hear a podcast of this interview. A couple of young guys down the road from me in Mooresville, Indiana recently did a documentary on the Raelians. It was filmed with hidden cameras when the two young men "infiltrated" the Raelian group.

I don't believe it's ever been distributed, but if you google up Raelians+Abdullah+Hashem, there's a lot of info out there about it.



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