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The new movie 'Marine' is an obvious recruiting tool

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posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 09:33 AM
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Once again Hollywood is in bed with the government. Recruiting's down and current soldiers are getting burned out, so let's make a movie and glorify how bad arse one marine can be.

All you young men out there over eighteen, watch the movie, this could be you. You could be like this Schwarzenegger wannabe, a one man army.


In reality you'll probably only end up in some shiite hole getting yourself blown up or shot, but once you sign on the dotted line we could care less what happens to you.

This has been a public service announcement.

Peace




posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Once again Hollywood is in bed with the government.


Actually, from the blathering coming out of Hollywierd, it is obvious that the rich movie stars on the left coast, in large part, HATE the current administration. I highly doubt they'd go out of their way to make movies that would help the Bush administration, or Donald Rumsfield, in any way.

There have been war movies and action hero movies for ages and ages. When military numbers are fine and when volunteer numbers are down.

Hollywood just wants money. If AHnold makes money, then they want him. If blood and guts and car chases make money then Hollywood will make those movies.

Even if it were made as a recruitment tool ... so what? Corporations advertise all the time. The US government has a right to advertise that it needs people to help protect America. If movies are the advertising media of choice, then it's just a good business decision.

But seriously .. Hollywood hates the Bush adminsitration and i do not see it 'in bed' with Rummy or 'W' at all. Just the opposite in fact.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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I am going to disagree.
This movie was made by WWE films. Basically a film tailored made for John Cena.
I would not read to much into it. I could be wrong though.

The movie looks like poop though. The special effects in the trailer look like something off a made for TV movie.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by lardo5150
This movie was made by WWE films.


All the more persuasive to have a tie-in to wrestling. Lots of young, gung-ho fans there.

It could be just coincidence, but I highly doubt it. This sort of propoganda, and that's all it is, is calculated. Why name the movie just 'Marine'? Why not 'Hell's Fire' or some other Schwarzeneggerian movie title?

And as far as actors being against the current administration, that's true, but they have little power. The power lies with the producers and studio heads, who are the ones in bed with the government.

Peace



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 07:09 PM
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If you watch the trailer for Jarhead, it looks like a pro-war movie in every way.

The actual film was quite different. The same may be true with this film...

I see your point Dr. Love, about the producers. But it's not the government that they're in bed with, not exactly. They're in bed with moneyed interests all over the world. Wealth transcends national borders, and more importantly, it transcends national loyalty.

There's money to be made whether America triumphs or crumbles - don't doubt it.

The powers that be are more than likely looking for another horse to bet on at this stage in the race. We're tired, we're sick, and we've had our good run. Rather than stick with us, the power brokers are going to be looking for ways of profiting from our demise. Sure, they could try and help us, but why? What's in it for them?

So, all that said, you could very well be right. The film could be trying to help our recruiting. It's even possible that the government has helped bankroll the film, or at least provided some nifty set pieces.


I just don't believe anyone in a position of power is intent on winning this war. They're intent on losing it slowly, painfully, at great cost to the taxpayers.



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 07:51 PM
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what does this have to do with terrorism?

I really don't see how the movie has anything to do with trying to get people to join the Army
then again I don't buy in to the whole all movies, tv shows, ect. are controlled by the government crap



posted on Oct, 12 2006 @ 08:17 PM
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Looks more like a cross between "The Punisher" and "Universal Soldier" than anything else.

Hollywood historically hates republicans; it's pretty unlikely that the aim of this movie is anything more than to show the retribution of a badass.

Just my opinion, anyway.



posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by lardo5150
I am going to disagree.
This movie was made by WWE films. Basically a film tailored made for John Cena.
I would not read to much into it. I could be wrong though.

The movie looks like poop though. The special effects in the trailer look like something off a made for TV movie.


The movie premiered at Camp Pendleton. John Cena participated in basic training exercises at Parris Island with real Marines.

So while the Marine Corps may not have taken a direct role in the production of the film, the fact that the Marine Corps does endorse this movie to an extent shows that Hollywood is indeed in bed with the U.S. military, to a certain point.



posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 06:14 PM
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WWE has long standing military ties, remember Sargeant Slaughter and his arch nemisis the Iron Sheik?

WWE has been doing shows in Iraq and is always supporting our troops.
It also seems that WWE is one of the more popular shows/events that our troops get to regularly see, so I wasn't a bit surprised to see John Cena in a military type film.

I guess in a way the movie could be seen as a recruiting tool, but then you kind of say the same about many military movies.



posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Hollywood just wants money. If AHnold makes money, then they want him. If blood and guts and car chases make money then Hollywood will make those movies.


How about tax breaks? That's making money.



Even if it were made as a recruitment tool ... so what? Corporations advertise all the time. The US government has a right to advertise that it needs people to help protect America. If movies are the advertising media of choice, then it's just a good business decision.


So NOW you're saying that it COULD be happening and that it's OK? Subliminal programming, on gov't dough. It's been going on for years. Check out when John Wayne's The Green Beret's was made.



But seriously .. Hollywood hates the Bush adminsitration and i do not see it 'in bed' with Rummy or 'W' at all. Just the opposite in fact.


It's been pointed out that actors may not care for this administration BUT the studios and their desire to make money, your words btw, have NO problem with making these movies.

That being said, yeah, a LOT of war movies coming out now. No doubt. The Marine won't be the last. We need more heros. The "Seals" up next?



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
The movie premiered at Camp Pendleton. John Cena participated in basic training exercises at Parris Island with real Marines.


I was not aware of this. Thanks for the info.

The new movie 'Flags of Our Fathers' will be used more for stoking an emotional and patriotic fire in Americans than a recruiting tool IMO. Looks like a pretty good flick though.

Peace



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 11:16 AM
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To be fair, most "training" movies are. The studios save money making those flims, and people always want to see those flims. Actors don't mind being in them, because they can show support for the army, navy, and airforce. Even historical movies like "Flyboys", althrough more biographical, are indirectly used to attract young people to the profession. So, there is no point whining about it. Their just going to keep making them.



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 11:59 AM
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Then why not make a movie called 'Marine' which shows what a marine really goes through in battle, not some load of horse mess that leads a young mind to believe he will become a one man army and be unstoppable. Young minds, as we all know, are highly impressionable. Name the movie something else and I don't have a problem.

If our government gave a crap about these guys once they signed up it would be one thing, but they fool them, feed 'em into the meat grinder, and then wash their hands of them. That's the problem.

Peace



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Then why not make a movie called 'Marine' which shows what a marine really goes through in battle,

Because it's a figgin' movie, nothing more. Everyone knows Hollywood is 99% BS, always has been and always will be.


If our government gave a crap about these guys once they signed up it would be one thing, but they fool them, feed 'em into the meat grinder, and then wash their hands of them. That's the problem.

I still don't see what that has to do with this movie? It's not different than every other hollywood action flick.



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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The studios get to use airbases or historical parts of a town and get a discount on them, and the studio gets to brag about contributing to society and the Goverment gets to brag about protecting the people. Although, it is true more should be done for our vets. I've met some of them, and feel so sorry for them and thier families around here.



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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what is wrong with recruitment for the millitary? People advertise and glorify jobs in other areas of life.

Everyone has a choice in the matter, its like advertising. We are all rational beings and we can see past spin and promotion and decide if its suited for ourselves

Hollywood glorifies everything. It glorifies crime...sex....murder, everything under the sun. Is it working hand in hand with the government by glorifying crime, disorder and violence? NO.



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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I agree with the Doc that there is obviously a desire to have theaters showing dumb war movies because we're about to be involved in a dumb war. Makes sense.

But what really amazes me is just how LOUSY all movies are, in general. If you want to point to the conspiracy, it can be framed by pointing your finger at the number of large-dollar, well produced 35mm movies that show humans treating each other well and getting along. That number would be: Zero.

Movies are black magic, in fact. You collectively go with other people into the "cave" where it is silent, and then these moving images transport you to whatever the movie's world is. Your subconcious doesn't know the difference. No, the usual doses of deeply horrific murders/chainsaw dismemberments, stupid mindless SNL spin off movies and completely retarded comic book cash cows are the conspiracy. Your mind will be allowed nothing else. You will not see many more movies that display useful or enlightened traits in the characters because good movies/magic like that is not allowed into the public consciousness.

Try to get a movie made that says something good about humanity, and you will NEED "The Marine" on your side!


[btw worldwatcher you cracked me up. Sgt. Slaughter versus the Iron Sheik. Life does imitate art eh?]


[edit on 14-10-2006 by smallpeeps]



posted on Oct, 15 2006 @ 07:16 PM
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Okay, smallpeeps, I can't understand you when you "wonder" in your post like that. I know what your saying, but it's just how studios stay in business, I'm sure. Don't worry too much about it.



posted on Oct, 16 2006 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by usaforever
Okay, smallpeeps, I can't understand you when you "wonder" in your post like that. I know what your saying, but it's just how studios stay in business, I'm sure. Don't worry too much about it.

Hmmm... Probably why I have negative points on PTS. Everything to me, is reflective of the central power structure. The movies are supposed to be for relaxation, but why does relaxtion have so much violence in it, if that's what movies are for? Proponents of horror or violence on screen will say, "Movies aren't just to entertain and relax, they are also to help us probe our darker side." ...But why is there so little probing of humanity's good side and so MUCH probing of its bad side?

I have worked on two major Hollywood lots and seen production of "blockbusters" with my own eyes. I have sat in producer's offices and looked at the (unmade) scripts on their bookshelves (producers like to have scripts on their bookshelves so that you understand how many they have to choose from) and asked, "Why don't you make these scripts you already own?" The answer is usually something like, "Well, there's a lot of good scripts out there, but only a few are what we're really looking for..." blah blah blah. Basically the whole industry is controlled in regards to what topics or images can appear on the silver screen.

I guess I'm done rambling, but the point is, not only do I agree with Dr. Love that this Marine movie (and other movies in production) have been designed to have a planned effect on the American psyche specifically toward war and dullness of thought. I also subscribe to a much tighter and larger conspiracy in regard to the major Hollywood studios. That's the point I'm making.



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