"*on the clinton note......I could care less that he got a BJ......
the part that upset me was the fact that under oath and in front of millions of viewers, he lied." Ferretman2

How did he lie? he didn't have sex with her. I know if a girl gave me head and I said we had sex my body would be found after I suffocated on my family jewels because she kicked them into my throat. Go ahead, have a girl give you head then tell your friends you had sex and see how long you live. Tell your friends how it lasted for hours and you had sex so hard you broke the bed. Tell them all about the cuffs and whips and chains even though none of those ever happened because it was head, not sex. Or does head become sex only if you are the president? Sorry, but again, head is not sex, and telling anyone you had sex with a girl who gave you head will/should get you hurt.

Anyways, Moonies report Reid did this, Foley resigned. Also, isn't that funny? Instead of staying in office so he could take punishment of censure or being kicked out he resigns. Reminds me of Nixon, another republican who would rather cut and run then stand and take punishment for his wrong doings. At least Clinton stuck around to see what would happen.

[edit on 12-10-2006 by HoorahUSMC]

I haven't waded through the thread, but I can imagine what drek is being tossed around. Frankly, I don't care what this guy's affiliation is, he committed a crime and profiteered at the expense of the American people primarily because of the position and power GIVEN to him by his constituents. This guy should at minimum be forced to resign and do some jail time. Defrauding the trust of the voters is treasonous IMO. A more reasonable punishment would be at the end of a rope.

USMC......

So a BJ is not sex?

back in the 70's long before any of this came up I came across some graffitti in Portland Maine that read... "eating ain't cheating'... it has been a general attitude (among men mostly) that anything short of penetration is sexual play but not sex. Biologically speaking that is correct too. Personally I consider any act between two people that gets one or both off as sex, but the attitude is out there.

Reid has been an embarrassment to my state for so long. The guy is a POS and everyone in Vegas knows it. Sorry about that, U.S., but I never voted for the guy.

# all the moralizing. What is wrong with a little corruption? I don't mind if a politician takes a few bribes, and helps out a few friends so long as their policies are generally sound, and they don't let the corruption get out of control.

If a politician does something that is blackmailable, that is bad. Since, they become under the influence of whoever can most sucessfully blackmail them. If what they do isn't really blackmailable, then they are more likely to retain freedom of action to limit their corrupt activities.

Due to differences in their supporters, Republicans and Democrats often face different criteria for what is blackmailable. Dishonesty, and the ability of politicians to protect themselves from scandal can be important traits for a politicians. For the saying goes "an honest politician stays bought". The problem is that even if the Foley scandal wasn't that bad, it was blackmailable considering that Foley had to resign. For Republicans to allow someone in such a position to continue in office indicates other Republicans are probably in similar positions, which is bad.

There was a letter to the editor down here in S.W. Va, during the Clinton impeachment that sums it up nicely. It was short and concise so I was able to remember it...though I forget who wrote it.

"It seems that most Democratic scandals involve sex and money while most Republican scandals involve constitutional issues and the abuse of power. Give me democratic scandals any day."

Originally posted by deluded
You've got to be kidding! In this day and age of "To catch a predator!"

At 16 years old, legal or no, this is a scandal any way you turn it. And Harry Reid making money off a land deal? C'mon, man. Give me a break! You can't even compare the two.

That's right. You can't compair the two. Reid comitted a crime. As of right now Foley hasn't. I'm not defending Foley, my opinion of what he has done is right in line with what the majority here agree on. Maybe the consent law in DC needs to be changed or modified, but that won't have an affect on Foley. Unless there is some Federal law that governs his actions, he is free and clear. Neither the pages nor their parents had filed a complaint against Foley, the only reason that this came out is that someone tipped off ABC.

Like it or not this entire issue is politically motivated. If the Republican leadership was covering for Foley, I wonder how long the person who tipped off ABC sat on this before going to the press. I am curious to see what other "dirty laundry" is hung out in the 4 weeks until the election.

[edit on 12-10-2006 by JIMC5499]

[edit on 12-10-2006 by JIMC5499]

I just went through this page and couldn't believe it. C'mon guys, this is the News Network, let's keep it clean even if the politicians can't. OK?

Originally posted by ferretman2
USMC......

So a BJ is not sex?

Nope, and if you tell your friends that a girl had sex with you even though she didn't you will end up choking to death on your family jewels after she kicks them into your throat. Although by your standards her kicking you in the groin counts as sex to...

Originally posted by grover
There was a letter to the editor down here in S.W. Va, during the Clinton impeachment that sums it up nicely. It was short and concise so I was able to remember it...though I forget who wrote it.

"It seems that most Democratic scandals involve sex and money while most Republican scandals involve constitutional issues and the abuse of power. Give me democratic scandals any day."

i guess covering up a murder in Chappaquidic is not an abuse of power...

[edit on 10/12/2006 by MrMedic]

Originally posted by JIMC5499
That's right. You can't compair the two. Reid comitted a crime. As of right now Foley hasn't. I'm not defending Foley, my opinion of what he has done is right in line with what the majority here agree on. Maybe the consent law in DC needs to be changed or modified, but that won't have an affect on Foley. Unless there is some Federal law that governs his actions, he is free and clear. Neither the pages nor their parents had filed a complaint against Foley, the only reason that this came out is that someone tipped off ABC.

Like it or not this entire issue is politically motivated. If the Republican leadership was covering for Foley, I wonder how long the person who tipped off ABC sat on this before going to the press. I am curious to see what other "dirty laundry" is hung out in the 4 weeks until the election.

[edit on 12-10-2006 by JIMC5499]
[edit on 12-10-2006 by JIMC5499]

Actually, Foley has commited plenty of criminal acts. Based on the transcripts released in the press there is enough in those to put Mr. Foley in prison for a good long time. Cho-Mos don't last long in prison, so Foley will be fighting for his life when he goes to court.

If this Reid stuff is true, and we haven't seen any evidence yet to support it, he deserves to lose his job, be fined heavily, and do what ever time they give him. It'll be a federal spa resort, but he'll be out of commission as well.

BOTH will deserve what ever they get.

Originally posted by MrMedic
i guess covering up a murder in Chappaquidic is not an abuse of power...

[edit on 10/12/2006 by MrMedic]

At best, vehicular homicide, but why let the law get in the way of a good yarn.

ctually, Foley has commited plenty of criminal acts. Based on the transcripts released in the press there is enough in those to put Mr. Foley in prison for a good long time.

I'm sorry I trend to get busy and miss the news. I must have missed the criminal act that Folley committed. Could you link to where the charges are being placed? Or even link to what crimes he committed?

Semper

Things must be gettin desperate on the other side of the aisle, if this is all you folks have to run with?

I mean seriously, the entire conservative movement just got snuffed out in the single blink of Mark Foley's eye, and this, some non starter AP story by John Soloman - who has two previous hit pieces on Harry Reid - this is all you guys have to fight back with?

Good lord.

I mean, anybody can go tit for tat. House Speaker Dennis Hastert and two partners bought land near Plano, IL. Hastert then secured 200 Million dollars for a highway project on the Prairie Parkway Route. The value of the land went up, and Hastert sold the land for a profit of 3 million dollars.

But, will these same courageous individuals demanding for Reid's immediate resignation call on Hastert to to the same? Probably too easy, considering he's gonna have to resign soon anyway.

But, I read the responses; what with all the hand wringing, and gravel eating, and the tortured screams of woe for our society, "whatever shall we do? Harry Reid is a capitalist!"

You're gonna lose 18 seats in the house, and control. You're gonna lose maybe 4-6 in the Senate, and maybe control. You don't have a single presidential candidate that can both the general and the primary.

You have the religious right screaming about gays infiltrating the GOP, and demanding a purge. You have Bush, screaming that we're actually "winning" in Iraq. You've Reps. Foley, and maybe Kolbe, preying on young boys. You've the got the highest offices of the land covering the entire thing up, and actually colluding for Foley to run for re-election 6 months ago.

You've got all hell breaking loose everywhere. And this is what you plan to put those fires out with? I mean, come on, this Reid story is goofball at best.

I'm sure there will be 6 more pages of complaints about the liberal media, and socialist democrats, and blah, blah, blah. But, besides my Libertarian friends - who are probably the last ones left who actually HAVE a bone to pick - the GOP is reaping what they have sewn, and absolutely nothing can stop it.

The wheels are off the wagon.

You're on a runaway train, boys. You got 10,000 screaming lobbiests in the passenger seat, as Grandpa Elephant sleeps soundly behind the wheel. The Grand Old Party is collapsing at the seams, tearing itself asunder from within, and there's nothing you can do about it.

The rats are leaving the sinking ship, turning on one another. Throwing each other over, saving their hides. Saving their own skins.

It's a pretty fun show to watch.

So, please, distract yourself with the evils of Harry Reid. But, any story not involving a gay GOP politician molesting some young boy will get buried on page 8 of the Times. I'm sure it will make that bitter pill in November somehow go down easier, just knowing you fought the good fight against reality.

AMEN Brimstone...I have to hand it to the Republicans though, they are efficient. It took almost 40 years for the Democratic control of congress to unravel in 1994, and it only took the Republicans 12 years to achieve the same results. Now thats efficiency.

P.S. The real crime at Chappaquidic was chronically poor judgement.... drunk driving, leaving the scene of an accident and obviously waiting way too long to report it. Involuntary manslaughter, yes...murder... no. Should he have done time for it...yes.

[edit on 13-10-2006 by grover]

Second comment; Dead on

First comment; Partisan

But I still love ya man

Semper

its too early in the morning to argue with you about it semper...I thought it was a simple statement of fact, a scarcastic simple statement of fact, but one none the less.

Hubris is always repaid harshly and the Republicans have indulged in an incredible amount of hubris.

Come on Grover...

I was trying to make you laugh..

I guess I did a bad job of it. My wife says my sense of humor is terrible..

Semper

now that made me smile ...I am not very civil until I have my first cup of coffee in me. in fact a person is lible to get bit if they come between me and it first thing in the morning

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