China is building a fence beside North Korea

UNITED NATIONS - North Korea must face "some punitive actions" for testing a nuclear device, China's U.N. ambassador said Monday, suggesting that Beijing may be willing to impose some form of Security Council sanctions against Pyongyang.

Chinese soldiers wait in bushes on the banks of a creek which marks the border with North Korea, near the Chinese city of Dandong Tuesday Oct. 10, 2006. The soldiers were on a work detail building a fence on the creek bank. China, North Korea's main source of food and fuel aid, said Tuesday that the North's nuclear test would negatively affect ties between the countries, the latest evidence of Beijing's anger at its neighbor and once-close ally for staging the test-explosion Monday despite China's objections.

I wonder what all that means? If China is building a fence could this mean they expect North Korea to actually do more and they don't want the refugees that might flood into their country? Whats all your thoughts on this?

Heres the link.

www.southernillinoisan.com...

abcnews.go.com...

This is very interesting if true. China's biggest fear of the fall of the NK regime is ai flood of refugees into China. This development may mean that China has determined that the fall of the NK regime is going to happen whether they like it or not.

original quote by: Shar
I wonder what all that means? If China is building a fence could this mean they expect North Korea to actually do more and they don't want the refugees that might flood into their country? Whats all your thoughts on this?

I think that is exactly why China is going to strengthen the border. They know that if sanctions go through they will be flooded with refugees. They have been giving humanitrian aide to NK for quite some time now. It is far cheaper for China to just supply aide over the border; because having to totally care for these people when they get into China will be far more costly.It is far cheaper the way it is set up now for China. But, if China cuts its aide to NK as a penalty for conducting a nuclear test(if it was nuclear); then they will get masses trying to cross the border. And this border strengthening shows China is looking out for their financial interest in this matter first and foremost.

I am not as of yet sure of which side of the ball China is ultimately playing behind. They have long let NK go as it has been a constant pain in the backside for the west. But have they finally crossed Chinas line? Or is China playing both ends of the field? Publicly they condemn the test(for a good PR view from the world);but privately, they use it as an indirect play against the west. But even if that is so.. it could still backfire on them; but thats another story...

Ultimately as far as this specific topic goes... I think the walling of the border by the Chinese is a precautionary measure against the possible flooding of alot of desperate people.

thank you for your time,
TONE23

Where are all the people on this board who cry 'OUTRAGE!!' on the US plans to build a wall....but it is okay for the Chinese to do it?

Just more hypocracy by the lefties.......

Originally posted by ferretman2
Where are all the people on this board who cry 'OUTRAGE!!' on the US plans to build a wall....but it is okay for the Chinese to do it?

Just more hypocracy by the lefties.......

This is a total outrage and should not be allowed.

There you go.

Originally posted by ferretman2
Where are all the people on this board who cry 'OUTRAGE!!' on the US plans to build a wall....but it is okay for the Chinese to do it?

Just more hypocracy by the lefties.......

This is expected from Communist & Apartheid states. Not in America. In America we celebrated when the wall in E. Berlin came down, so why should we ourselves want to put one up now in 2006.


The righties want to go backwards in time rather then forward.

A country has a right to decide who a citizen is or is not. Otherwise world wide chaos would ensue.

But like other posters I have to say that China played this out as long as they can. My prediction is that NK will collapse and we will see annother West Germany and East Germany scenario but instead with South Korea and North Korea.

China appears more interested in money now than pure leftist politics.

China may build a fence, but it is my opinion that they will remain on both sides of it. Sure, they don't want the refugees, but there's only two logical ways to prevent a flood of refugees, and a few hundred miles of chain link isn't one of them. One way to prevent refugees is to ensure that the NK regime remains intact (which leads to another thread), the other is to remove the regime themselves, allowing the refugees to remain where they are. I don't think we can act on North Korea without pissing China off, because any further sanctions will "light the refugee fire". So, no matter what, China is going to be pissed at the world.

The Chinese government really doesn't want a flood of North Korean refugees in their country in the event of sanctions. Even though they are a signatory to all the Refugee Conventions, NK refugees are sent back as fast as possible.

I guess a fence will save them the trouble of rounding them up and sending the NK's home to be tortured and/or starve.

www.cecc.gov...
usinfo.state.gov...

If China doesn't want to take refugees that's just fine, but they shouldn't sign things saying they will to get access to the UN and legitimacy for the government and then turn around and do the complete opposite.

you got to feel for the poor Korean people. Millions are starving and something has to be done when the country implodes or explodes in the coming months or years. This is going to be nightmare situation for them.... it already is.
China has always taken sides with NK for political reasons - they dont give a monkeys for the people. But now that China is embracing the free market etc they will soon stop siding with them and probably stop all aid/ fuel etc.

Why China stop NK and invade them, annex them, and no problem with little Kim. Problem solved. They just have to say that they want to help them fight the US, invade the country, when all the chinese troops are in NK, seize the power. The North Koreans would be please to have access to food, technology, jobs, everything China have to offer. No?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Why China stop NK and invade them, annex them, and no problem with little Kim. Problem solved. They just have to say that they want to help them fight the US, invade the country, when all the chinese troops are in NK, seize the power. The North Koreans would be please to have access to food, technology, jobs, everything China have to offer. No?

I dont think it's worth having with all it's problems. 3 million on the verge of starvation.

[edit on 10-10-2006 by NeoSocialist]

The Great Fence of China? Doesn't have the same zing as The Great Wall of China but hey, fences are cheaper.

Considering the reports of tunnels into south korea for kim jong il's sleeper agents, I would think he already has tunnels into china, but of course it's also possible that china knows this and is taking steps to guard them or fill them in or whatever.

I too am a firm believer in securing borders and hate it when people talk about legal immigration and illegal immigration as the same thing...but I also think that our problem (here in the states) is nothing compared to what china's problems could be if things go all wonky and pear shaped in North Korea.

The people I feel sorry for the most are the North Korean citizens. When kim jong il's reign is finally over (which is inevitable and I think we all know that) and North Korea finally becomes a true member of the 21st century global community, those poor folks are in for massive culture shock.

North Korea is certainly more China's, South Koreas and Japan's problem than America's and europes at the moment but I think within a few days we're all going to see the ripple effects of North Korea's nuclear test.

just my two cents of course.

Spiderj

Hello Friends:

All this is very interesting and can put
all of us in danger. Also this could mean a war
for North Korea and the U.S. again.
The building of a fence by China can mean, that
China will not come to North Korea aid this time.

It would seem to me that those people, if they should become desperate should emigrate to S. Korea rather then head into China if they are so against communism. I don't see why they wouldn't, especially since there are a lot of people with relations on both sides of the border when the place got split off.

It sounds like they just might be thinking that North Korea is going to continue till they start a war. Receive even more sactions then they already have, meaning that the N. K. people will flee to China who doesn't want them.

Kim Jong-il has already said he wants war on the US soil.
I believe hes also thinking of testing a nuclear missle so China is trying to protect themselves from N.K. Although, it might be to late. I guess it depends on how fast they get that fence built.

Looks to me like China just may not want to have anything to do with N.K.

Shame on the people that make a run for the border. I really don't think China needs, or wants, to take in millions of refugees From North Korea.
I'm sure they could take some women and children on a temporary basis, but as a nation, they should remain in the DPRK.

If conditions in your country are so bad that you need to head for the hills, I think it's time to consider changing your government.

Stand and fight for your rights, it will mean that much more to you when you win......



This is their country, a population of almost 23,000,000 people.

About 1 million of those are in the army, but they would turn against their "Dear Leader"if the populous rebeled with force.

Even if people pick up pitch forks and machetes to go against Kim, with enough support, North Korea could save itself a whole lot of heartache.

That would negate the necessity of a fence.

I thought that the Geneva convention meant that refugees fleeing from countries where their is a war going on must be accepted without question?

The whole fact that the genocide that takes place in particular countries was the reasoning behind it?

Originally posted by marcopolo
I thought that the Geneva convention meant that refugees fleeing from countries where their is a war going on must be accepted without question?

well..

Communist tend not to read that part

So china are building a fence on Nkorea.. and are also pulling back its troops from the border of skorea/nkorea.

This says to me, China is aware of nkorea's ambitions.

You dont make such obvious, and drastic measures if your assuming there's a chance of refugee's.

You take these measures immediaetly when youve been give proof that plans are coming to action