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Originally posted by nullster
OK - as a skeptic I'll cede.
Because there are accounts, photos and video. Including paintiings, pictures, and sketches going back for centuries the following must exist
I can not disprove the existance of the following.
Fairies
Dragons
Unicorns
Aliens
Kracken
The Easter Rabbit
The Tooth Fairy
Each of these are well documented and there are many thousands of accounts to support their existance. Even though there is not one shred of physical evidence to support their existance. It is about Belief.
I take that back - of the lot Dragons edge out the others, but I won't cherry pick here.
[edit on 14-10-2006 by nullster]
Originally posted by Shamanator
I dont believe in aliens flying UFOs true, I could be wrong though, of course I think its unlikely I am but i'm kinda biased.
Originally posted by fyodor
Humans grow up being brainwashed by what they read in schoolbooks....
I agree a lot of the population is basicly trained to behave and think a certain way its not the reason most scientists are skeptics though the reason is just a lack of evidence.
Originally posted by fyodor
Science will NEVER unconditionally acknowledge the existence of extraterrestrial/extradimensional organisms, so long as they're under government scrutiny.
Nobody should ever unconditionally believe anything or it's no more than a religion or wishful thinking.
I guess it is possible they can keep secrets for quite a while 50 years is really pushing it though
If you are going to post that as fact you really do need something to back it up not even a name given or source cited otherwise as an arguement it is worthless.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
kind of biased?
that is an understatement.
you have decided to believe as fact a truth that only exists when you IGNORE all the points you have dodged in this thread.
you have decided to believe as fact a truth that only exists when you IGNORE all legends, all mythologies, all recorded truths of ALL cultured peoples on this planet.
you have already decided to believe as fact and believe as truth a thing you refuse to hear any more information concerning.
to what effect? to the effect you started, and you continue, to exert your will upon an entire reality you refuse to share with all other souls on this planet. this must be true, because you bring discredit upon the entire human race by calling the basis for all cultures liars.
Originally posted by Shamanator
It seems to me the person with the closed mind here might be you but never mind as long as you are happy you can believe in the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers for all I care.
Ok I see a few are determined to twist this thread into a alien UFOs exist thread that isn't what it was about but fine I'll bite for 1 post
I am now more convinced than ever while there may be aliens in the universe somewhere they are not visiting here. If there was real solid evidence I would consider it but I think we all really know there isn't and never will be.
Originally posted by Shamanator
It seems to me the person with the closed mind here might be you but never mind as long as you are happy you can believe in the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers for all I care.
1: People who report UFOs ussually have their own agendas
2: Misidentifications of UFOs
* advertizing planes seen edge on look like rotating disc
* aircraft seen at unusual angles will assume many varied shapes
* aircraft lights at night have many configurations
* balloons and lighted balloons
* plastic bags really look strange in wind
* illegal activity with aircraft can follow strange paths
* radio controlled model aircraft
* jet exhaust distorts all light passing through it
* kites, hobby rockets, parachutes, trash
* etc
3: Hoaxsters faking UFOs for amusement
a few examples
4: Unidentified for reasons other than being Alien
a few examples
* descriptions given are so poor that noone can figure them out
* etc
Every single one of these is far more likely than an Alien flying a spaceship looking for cows to harass.
You can bet there is also far more conventional explanations than what I can think of as well.
There is no evidence Aliens have ever visited earth. Unless you have physical evidence it is really a mute point.
Just for the record I have never said Aliens do not exist Just there is no evidence they are visiting earth sincerely hope they never do. I do not see through the rose tinted glasses some of you have regarding these all loving Aliens.
Originally posted by nullster
neformore - I understand there are allot of people on this board/Forum who did not live their younger formitive years in the cloud of the "The Cold War". Durring that time more than anytime before and since the UFO and Alien phenomenon grew at exponential rates.
Between two years before the close of WWII and the Official close of the Cold War in 1993, there were 100's of thousands of photographed events and accounts of sightings. THis includes purported landings. It was a shock on my younger years but became more understandable in my later years that the US government, Brittain, Canada, and its other allies were working to produce unconventional craft. Highly volotile craft (possibly Nuclear powered). What many people don't know is that we had the technology to produce a Nuclear powered (winged aircraft) bomber by the late 1950's, but the US decided that just one accident would lead to dissatererous radioactive fallout.
Hence the government(s) could produce smaller craft under the cover/auspices of the UFO phenomenon that was in high gear at the time. The perfect cover if somethnig had gone horribly wrong. Always note that these cases involved the military moving in quckly to recover these vehicles. This is the smoking gun. This is the explanation. The US government and its allies experimented with highly volotile radioactive vehicles that could have wreaked havok on out own populations. The UFO phenomenon provided the perfect cover when craft went down. More importantly official denial of events simply put potential dissaster on the Aliens. Excused the governments and military out of civilian accountability. How convenient if you ever recieved lethal doses of radioactive poisening.
If you want I can post a picture of the declassified USAF Nuclear bomber that was a space bourne vehicle that was saucer shaped. Just one of the programs said to be nixed. So the liklyhood these accounts are military related are extraordinarily high. THere would have been prototypes that were tested.
[edit on 15-10-2006 by nullster]
Originally posted by nullster
The problem with many cases (Belgium Traingle Included) is that the source of information is largely derived from UFO sites that are laden with juicy conjecture and disinformation in the guise of proof.
[edit on 16-10-2006 by nullster]
Originally posted by neformore
Call me a crank if you want, but when the Joint Cheif of Staff of a NATO airforce cannot discount the ET hypothesis, you have to start thinking differently.
Originally posted by neformore
This thread died and it was one of the more interesting one on my list.
I wondered how the Belgian incident info was received?