i hope north korea straightens there crap out because thats the last thing our troops want to do is fight another war that has nothing to do with us. i say leave it up to china and the surrounding countrys to take care of it and only help if asked.

Perhaps they alreayd had everything in place way before the time they announced they would test, and that is why everyones satellites did not pick up any activity. Good for Korea, perhaps now they can supply themselves with the energy they need to sustain a more stable society. It seems pretty stable to me now anyways though.

This is going to be something...look at it this way we invade iraq on the premise that they might have nuclear weapons, yet they did not test or detonate anything that would even prove there was a WMD in their possesion. North Korea actively test a WMD against all sactions that would have been put upon it.

Now what is the difference between Saddam and kim jong... nothing in that they both have tortured and killed their own citizens and have invaded an opposing country which in turn forced them to battle the U.S. On all the information that has been provided under this adminstration we should have already invaded N. Korea, yet they are still trying to negotiate with Kim. Flags should be raising for any close minded person who thought we went into Iraq for anything but a Secret Agenda.

Originally posted by DYepes
Perhaps they alreayd had everything in place way before the time they announced they would test, and that is why everyones satellites did not pick up any activity. Good for Korea, perhaps now they can supply themselves with the energy they need to sustain a more stable society. It seems pretty stable to me now anyways though.

How do nuclear wepoans produce sustainable power?

They have no intention on building Nuclea power plants, they purpose-
fully built and tested a nuclear weapon, and told everyone about it,
before hand, and after the fact.

Well, looks like the DPRK just thumbed it's nose at the rest of the world. South korea is confirming according to both CNN and FOX. This changes the stabillity equation in northeast Asia. No one could blame ROK for deciding to go nuclear themselves. What will be most interesting is the Japanese response. Considering DPRK has sent at least one Taepo Dong over Japanese territory in the past decade no one could blame them for going nuclear as well, and considering that Japan is the only country that has had nuclear weapons used against it, who in the world would have the moral authority to stop them? If Japan and RoK decide to go nuke then why not Taiwan too? The DPRK has just changed the current world paradigm, and I don't think that their only buddy in the neighborhood will be too happy with them (unless they did it with private Chinese approval, but why would China want that?) It's my understanding that the three nations I mentioned have the scientific,technical, and industrial abillity to go nuclear on pretty short order.

It will be interesting to see the UN Security Council's reaction tommorrow. If we see strong statements with real consequences for the DPRK then we will be able to guage if and how angry China is with their backward commie buddies. If China prevents any strong action then we may assume that the DPRK did this with Chinese consent, and will have further hard evidence of the uselessness of the UN.

Oh, and whoever said that this would provide the DPRK with safety and energy should know that you have to be able to run a reactor (hence make energy) before you can build a bomb. I'm no nuclear physicist but it's my understanding that these weapons are made with spent fuel rods from a reactor used to make energy. The DPRK has the power to fuel and feed it's people. It chooses not to. They would rather make nuclear weapons and rockets.
(edited for spelling and grammar(know I still need work but, no time to proofread)

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What amazes me is the attention given to Iran when they claim to want nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. North Korea specifically says they want a nuclear bomb, they announce they're going to test one, and then they actually do test one. And tommorow's papers will probably only give them a sideline article compared to Amadinijad doing something like taking a dump.

I'm sure everything will be fine. Kimmy couldn't possibly be crazy enough to use it!

(he says with little confidence as he proceeds to fill up his gas tank)

Jef, think about what you said for one minute. If they have this, how are you to know they do not idneed provide sufficient energy to their people? Of course their Autos are useless without petrol, but all their homes are easily linked to a network recieving energy from a Facility plant. Hmm lets see, if they had no abiltiy or have not been suppliyng their own energy, I would assume they would not have been a threat for quite a long time now eh?

Also if you look at NK on google Earth, you will see a big difference in their city infrastructure and just land than with cuba. This nation has large skyscrapers all over all their major cities, yet we contiue to believe they are without energy and cannot feed their people? Those residential skyscapers are full of people. And hmm if i am not mistaken, if that many people are going to lvie and support these cities, we would have to asume they are eating decently.

We can see this is not the case in cuba where a large population are lliving in little rackety shanty towns. Of course being 90 miles away from your iggest enemy does not help that situation any.

Everything we are told of North Korea is a lie, and this nuke test proves it. What third world nation with a majority starving population AND extreme lack of energy has developed and now tested a nuclear weapon? Nope sorry India is and was a HIGHLY developed nation when they got theirs, and so was Pakistan. Apparantley China and the Soviets too.

Cuba? Nope. Somalia (obviously) No. Afghanistan? Apparantley not. Iran is a developed nation with plenty of energy and a well-fed population. So that is obvious why they are developing this technology.

There comes a point that you have to start actually looking at ALL the facts here and realising, they dont add up correctly. In fact, it almost seems as if 2+2=5 ....

Unless of course you place your military (nuclear programs especially) ahead of the general populace, which is what happened in the Soviet Union. Just because you can develop a powerful weapon doesn't mean that you're feeding the majority of the people very well.

Well lets see, I would assume if the military employs a sizeable percentage of their population, and this is not only soldiers either. The cooks, dishwasher, laundry people, assistants, drivers, and many others of the miltiary personell obviously swell up the numbers of their population employed by them. In then bam, we have the families of every one of those people as well, that makes up for quite a much larger portion of their population. So that states that hey, obviously they are doing just fine!

you see, you just failed to look at all the facts, and then made that mistake that I corrected.

I wouldn't call that a guarantee of them doing just fine. For one thing they might only be feeding their soldiers and officers properly, which is usually just males over the age of about 18. What becomes of the elderly, the women, and the children? Nuclear weaponry programs in particular usually don't employ most of their population, and they definatly won't feed the population.

All I can say is I don't like this. I don't see this going anywhere good. They have woke everyone up thats for sure. All the nay sayers can no longer say he won't do it. I just pray it stops here no more from noone. Not the US, Not China, Not Russia, Not noone. This does not need to be.

2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2!

Lets see... facts... we are talking about facts, right?

We'll just ignore all those Koreans that tell us how their standard of living is. Liars that can't be trusted, obviously.

So... facts... uhm...

Kim is insane.

[insert long list of NK threatening acts toward neighborhood countries, Japan for instance, screwing with IAEA inspectors, and basically giving the rest of the world the finger]

I'm not too worried about NK having nukes. I'm worried about Kimmy having them.

Apparently South Korea has measured the blast at 3.5 on the richter scale, I'm not familier with how big of a blast it would take to make that kind of movement but it sounds big.

does anyone have a clue as to the size of the bomb tested??

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Dyepes
The political elite living in the "new" cities are doing ok, the army has enough food, rest are starving, that equals to 70% of the nation.
NK was given a change to obtain peaceful nuclear power, they blew the change. So i must assume they've aimed for the bomb all along. Nuclear weapon technology is 90% unapplicable to civilian power.

Two words, dumb move. Congratulations North Korea, you just further isolated yourself by turning your only supporter against you, China. And by also showing your true capabilities and intentions, which in turn, give a dose of reality to those who supported you before. Not to mention making the geopolitical, military, and security situation in South East Asia favorable for the United States. Ah, so much good news on a late Sunday night, I'm off to bed.

By the way USGS is reporting a 4.2 magnitude seismic event associated with this test.

Happy Hunting.

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Sorry Dyepps, don't buy it. Havn't looked at google earth of NK but have been meaning to for a while now. (Someone on the military forums has a great how to spot SAM sites guide and i figured NK would be a good final exam because of topography.) Still your statement sounded like you were saying that you could make weapons before energy and I had to call you on it. I'm sure that certain things we are told about countries are lies or propaganda but I've always said that of the three AOE countries North Korea has always been the most dangerous and unpredictable. The fact that they have large buildings, and can keep the lights on doesn't mean that they can feed their people. It doesn't take 21st century technology to develop a nuclear weapon, we did it 60yrs ago. I'm sure that there are several underdeveloped(emerging markets for you PC capitalists out there) countries that could make a nuke if they were willing to spend the treasure and political good will to do so. Egypt and Mexico are the two that come to mind immediately as examples of countries where if the will was there they could find a way. I would say that both of those countries are only slightly less developed than Pakistan and India at the time they made their nukes. I'm no Bush fan and find that discernment is sorely lacking on these boards on both sides of almost every issue. However, I don't believe that EVERYTHING we are shown about North Korea is a lie. I've seen at least one good documentary smuggled out of North Korea and it looked pretty grim. If things arn't bad there then why are people fleeing to China?

And we have lift-off!!!
The proverbial 'sh*t' is on its way to the fan!!

Japan..What will Japan do?
Pray for peace..