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Originally posted by PisTonZOR
Debunkers just leave it be. I Know as well as you do, that they won't give up.
forced to respond to your insults and personal attacks
They do not respond with factual, cited counter-assertions.
Why would jets waste space loading them up with crappy chemicals when they need to conserve fuel. The whole idea of buying the A380 is to conserve fuel and have a more efficiant design. Why would an airline allow there jets to be filled up with garbage? Do you think the tens of thousands of employsees at Boeing could help cover up such a secret?
Oh and for the record, Contrails aren't generated by hot air. Aviation fuel such as petrol/gasoline (piston engines) or paraffin/kerosene (jet engines) consists primarily of hydrocarbons. When the fuel is burned, the carbon combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide; the hydrogen also combines with oxygen to form water, which emerges as steam in the exhaust.
For every gallon of fuel burned, approximately one gallon of water is produced, in addition to the water already present as humidity in the air used to burn the fuel. At high altitudes this steam emerges into a cold environment, (as altitude increases, the atmospheric temperature drops) which lowers the temperature of the steam until it condenses into tiny water droplets and/or desublimates into ice; clouds.
PisTon, Essan and others are not interested in debunking.
The pro-chemtrail people, oddly enough, have been presenting facts, have shown courtesy and fairness, and have more than carried our share of the burden.
I know, but the things people did present wern't facts.
We weren't presenting facts to debunkers.
There are a lot of people who have become so entrenched in their beliefs that they cannot open to the possibility that our government could not only lie, but engage in criminal acts. Abominable criminal acts.
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Interested, you can take a look at the links I've provided in this and other chemtrail threads. You can also try this one - www.this-must-stop.com (link)
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
PisTon, Essan and others are not interested in debunking. They do not follow the links we provide them. They do not respond with factual, cited counter-assertions.
And they have not discounted what we are presenting here - in most part because no one on this thread has asserted a fact - WE'VE ASSERTED LINKS. How can you discount a link?
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Like selfless said, we are not debating. The pro-chemtrail people are sure enough that we are now just promulgating information. Period.
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
The pro-chemtrail people, oddly enough, have been presenting facts,
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
(save for Howard's newly discovered ice supersaturation, which he is still reeling over)
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
I accused Howard of that for responding to less than half of one of my posts on this thread, sidestepping what he didn't want to respond to
Yeah why should you? because it would stop some pointless arguing on this thread.
Iblis, are you hiding behind the teacher's skirt? Stop quoting SO's response, he didn't really say all that much except that all subjects are open for debate. Fact is this isn't a debate, it is several concerned citizens trying to make sense of possible phenomena without scientific documentation to present for making a case. At the same time several members are making a joke out of the fact that the thread is considered "brainstorming" instead of fact sharing.
You mentioned that Selfless ruined his own thread. Well all in all I think the thread has been quite effective. It has shown several of you to have an agenda, therefore IMO your credibiltiy is ziltch, not only in this thread, but when you post in the future, and at the same time, nearly 300 replies later there have been many links provided where those of us who choose to can pursue the subject. Actually you "debaters" have kept life breathing in this thread by motivating some of us to work harder to find others on the web who are interested in this subject.
Thanks for all your time, as you have increased my desire to learn more
Originally posted by HowardRoark
You are damned right, I do. I am not your errand boy to chase after every stupid spam link you post. Life’s too short for that nonsense.
If you want to present a point, rephrase it in your own words and use the link as a source.
Originally posted by OnTheDeck
PisTon, Essan and others are not interested in debunking.
They do not follow the links we provide them. They do not respond with factual, cited counter-assertions.
We've (me especially) provided links in this thread and others to air traffic controllers voicing concerns, meteorologists....
Originally posted by PisTonZOR
Debunkers just leave it be. I Know as well as you do, that they won't give up.