True love, harmony and bliss..Yin and Yang greatly oppose eachother but they are the perfect balance and reflection of oneanother.

Anyway, my point is this; Does anyone here believe we are capable of the yin/yang type love? Most people are more attracted to a person by commonalities but I believe(and this is only recent) that the one true love balance can only come from someone who is vastly different then oneself but *emerge* the things that would otherwise be almost unrecognizable to my own self. *Hard to explain here* OK that helped.

So when seeking the perfect mate/soulmate perhaps seeking someone out who isn't the same as oneself but who is the reflection of oneself is the direction to go?

Anyone have any comments..?

*Edit* Talk about serious typos man! Love get's me all flustered and frustrated when thinking about it!

[Edited on 11/8/03 by magestica]

Ying, yang, female, male, opposites attract.

Yeah, yeah.

Symbology.

Why, I once read a horror story where a guy who was suffering pretty bad sleep paralysis got the yin and yang stitched into one of his eye sockets after his eye was gently removed by his visitor, in the cold deep dark of Halloween night. It would have sent shivers down my spine, but for an obvious reason.

Truth is, soul mates are an over-rated proposition. We should all be soul mates, but remain true to our beliefs in boring earthly reality in our corporeal lives, which may involve settling with one partner for life, or may not!

Remember the cats and dogs thread, where I talked about cats having the personality that makes them think everything is about them, and dogs that hate cats hate them for that. I was not personifying cats or dogs.

But I am starting to feel just a little feline myself in the above sense.

Hi Magestica, i think it really varies. I've been told by friends that their ex's and them had nothing in common and yet when they found someone compatible hit it off great, they always had something to discuss. I really believe it has everything to do with the individual myself, the attitudes etc and what makes you happy in the relationship. I think it has to come from inside like a sixth sense, i also believe people really don't know what it is they truly want until they reach their 30's and know what it is they want in life.

[Edited on 8-11-2003 by Sapphire]

Kitty cat.

It was a concept I've thought about for a while and only just decided to add my thoughts/post it..because it is only now beginning to make sense as to some of my *choices* of relationships/men in the past.

I always thought my true love/soulmate/imaginary lover would be like me in all ways; think like me, believe like me, even resemble me and so on and so fourth. What I've realized though through many nights of pondering and reflecting is that *he* may actually be the yang side of myself because in all actuality two yins don't make a *right* and same for two yangs. Thus is why I posted my thoughts/queries for the board and my ATS companion to answer to in the manner he always does.

Dreams of the symbol itself have plagued me over the years and now maybe I'm beginning to understand why.
I actually thought for a time it was a sideways/upside down 9 or 6 inside a circle..but then it dawned on me by delayed/slow reaction, recently, that it is infact the symbol for yin & yang. What does it mean? I have no clue..and thus is the reason I come to my fellow ATSers for their thoughts/opnions. I can sometimes easily see meanings, even hidden ones in others' dreams, but when it comes to my own or anyone close to me..I am at a loss for words and interpretations.

So there ya go! Eventually I'm able to validate my reasonings for my posts..it just may take some warming up and comments to do so..

As far as the whole soulmate belief goes..well I still think we all have one. But sometimes we just aren't meant to be with them in the manner we might like or want. That doesn't mean I've given up on love though
either..it just means I'm much more open to the strange and elusive people who enter my life these days. I actually do not believe I am meant for love this time around..I think I'm alot newer to the whole life thing then I thought. I believe this life is a life of lessons for me. And that's suits me fine.




[Edited on 11/8/03 by magestica]

The writer of the sleep paralysis story included the symbol of yin-yang eyes as an interesting thought, without understanding the meaning. Similarly his protagonist in the story did not understand the meaning.

Now the writer does.

Yin-yang eyes belong to those people who can see spirits.

The character suffering sleep paralysis was surgically provided with yin-yang eyes before having his throat slashed. It is still not apparent whether that was because he had this power while alive, or whether this was some gift before or after his departure from the mortal coil, or whether its symbolism is different again. I do not understand it.

Here are examples of yin-yang eyes from other reading:

1. "One of my pupils was troubled by his Yin-Yang eyes -- he could see invisible beings drifting about the parade grounds even in daytime. While in class, he could see some of them looking at him from the windows, or even following him closely. He was very frightened, and asked me, "Madam, why is it that I can see them but other people cannot? I cannot help it even if I don't want to see them." Considering his problem, I thought the best thing to do was to give him a tape of Master's Buddhist chanting to listen to at home. I also gave him Master's photo.

Several days later, he said the invisible beings had ceased to appear. From time to time, I ask him, "Are you all right?" He would tell me, "Madam, it is very effective!" Therefore, he always wore Master's photo on his chest. This is a true story of how Master helped my pupil."

2. "Flora dies but Gallen is resuscitated at the hospital. Gallen is one of those people who doesn't believe in ghosts and spirits but his uncle happens to be a believer who has yin/yang eyes (ie. He can see spirits). His uncle is a cop and he's on this case. In the hospital, Gallen dreams of Flora pacing around his bed complaining because he was saved and she wasn't."

3. The Yin-Yang Eyes

"On another trip, a young woman from Hong Kong was seated with her companion at the front of the tour bus, behind Warren, as it made its way to Quebec City. They were passing through a stretch of forestland, which was quite boring for most people. Suddenly, this woman gasped "Aiya!" and covered her face, then looked away from the window for a while, until the forest was out of sight.

Warren asked her what was wrong, and was worried because this woman was pale and looked very scared. She wouldn't tell him at first, but then after a bit more convincing, she explained that she has what Chinese people call the Yin-Yang eyes. That means that she can see both the living (in the Yang) and the spirits (in the Yin). Since she was a child, she has been seeing spirits of dead people. Most of the time, it's not scary to her because the spirits don't seem to realize that they're dead.

Anyhow, as they were passing by the forest, she was looking out the window, and she saw a man being hanged on a tree. She could see that he had scraggly long hair, and was wearing a white outfit with a large red circle in the middle of his shirt. This startled her immensely, because she said that she had never seen the spirit of a hanged man before.

Then Warren related to her a bit of historical info about the stretch of land they were passing. It used to be near a battlefield, and when the French took prisoners, they would execute them by hanging. I don't know much about this dark side of French America's history, so I can't tell if the tour guide was telling the truth or just making this up to scare the girl. I don't think Warren would do that to a girl who was already very shaken up, since he seemed really nice on the trip."


I didn't know any of that till now.

You can enter into an area/posts you might never have interest in or even care and come out with far greater knowledge then you expected..this is called enlightenment, not that you didn't already know that but I wittnessed and gave it to you in a round about sort of way and now I too am enlightened..amazing!

Thank you for sharing that here..I'm pleased you cared enough to look into the whole thing deeper then my sappiness shed in light of 'one' meaning of the symbol/words
M

Hi Mags,

An answer as promised

Couple of issues here...we'll just start typing and see where this goes okay

Yin and Yang type love:

Finding the one for you, who suits you, is individual...your choice to make ultimately...though I will speak with reference to those couples I know and relationships I've been in...

Yin and Yang are opposites, as you say...yes they are about balance, they are the light and the dark, the positive and the negative, the up the down. Though when it comes to relationships one must ask what is the glue that holds them together...one answer could be commonality....another could be respect.

I think of the relationships I know of, those relationships that have spanned decades upon decades, still strong, still loving...those people tend to very much be similar to one another. The bond, like any bond, is not formulated on difference...but on similarity. Common interests, common joys even common sadness, common passions, common expressions, common thought...the couples I know of who are long long term couples (and I'm specifically thinking about my own parents here) operate in unison.

Thats not to say they are without difference. There can be no complete Yang if you are Yang...no complete Yin if you are Yin...why? Because thats the inherent facet of our humanity...uniqueness. We can hold commonality with someone, but still very much hold difference...and thats perhaps the deeper issue. Yin and Yang within OURSELVES...balance and compensation/compromise within us. Any long term relationship has differences yes, and has compensation/compromise for/towards the other and thus providing balance to the other...there will be times when one person is up and the other is down...that is when one steps in for the other, carries and cares for the other...compensates for whatever they may lack and in return their significant other does the same for them. There is your *pretty much* complete balance...it doesn't, in most cases, come from one being solely Yin and the other solely Yang...

But do relationships based on one being solely Yin and one being solely Yang work?? I think thats an issue between those two people and something that time would be the judge of. Again, reflecting back to those relationships I know of, or have been in:

A Yin and a Yang together is VERY passionate to begin with...there is much raw emotion and energy, much spontaneity, much SPARK...why? I believe it comes from conflict. It comes from differences...that emotional energy and passion arises from the conflicts of attempting to meld together two opposing trains of thought, two opposing ways of seeing the world. Conflict creates energy...plain and simple. Its great, its intense, it brings many times of *wahooo!* and many times of *grrr how could you!* But does it last?? Or does it simply burn itself (and those involved) up within the intensity and possible volatility (due to extreme differences of opinion) of the relationship. Looking at long term relationships seems to say to me that its a little less likely. Of course that comes down to how the couple deal with their differences...I certainly feel that it can indeed be good to have some differences with your partner, some different interests etc...I feel that adds a certain form of 'spice' to the relationship, something about them that seems interesting, new, exciting. Though I also believe that when it comes to our 'untradables', our 'core beliefs'...those fundamental parts of ourselves that are the true definers of who we are, the parts we will not sacrifice for anyone...those parts, if different, can become breeding grounds for conflict...those parts, for reasonable harmony of a long-term relationship, would do well to be either somewhat similar or at least respected.

Okay...to highlight the *passion* and *spark* that can come from two opposing positions...to highlight the energy that can come from 'conflict/disagreement' a little more *physically* and I mean no offence by discussing this topic: Many couples will tell you some of the best sex they have ever had is that 'make up sex'...the sex you have when you are still kind of angry with the person, when you are still a little tense about the conflict and opposition of thought etc etc...because you have raw energy, raw *dare I say* animalistic drive within you at the time. Its VERY passionate...its VERY intense. Oh yeah, I know some of your reading this are nodding your head with a 'Hell Yeah!'

But then again so too can be that beautiful tender in-tune 'love making' of couples who aren't at logger-heads with eachother...


The issue of being destined to receive or not receive love:

Oh Mags...oh you KNOW I know this well...oh hell yeah its something I'm had flying around my mind for years upon years. I dunno Mags...while I do put some weight towards destiny...I am also a great believer in "Fate deals the cards, YOU choose how to play them"...neither all fate/destiny...neither all our own actions. But what I do know for sure is this...nothing happens if you discard it...nothing comes that you don't allow to come...self-fulfilling 'destiny'...sometimes it isn't an issue of "Am I destined to have love", but an issue of "Am I allowing myself to BE loved". And thats a brain-basher that I've whipped myself with for many years...


...plenty more I wanna say...but thats enough for now

...if I went off track on anything, let me know and I'll try to clarify...



Peace,
ALIEN

[Edited on 11-11-2003 by alien]

Ahhh yin and yang. Eternal opposites. My friend once told me that everything has an opposite, like yin to yang. I told him he was an idiot and everything didn't have an opposite, somethings don't need one. An arguement insued. Then I asked him what the opposite of a 1994 Jeep Cherokee was. He looked at me like idiots do, then he said I was right.

Hmmm, interesting post, ALIEN. I've been bashing my head over much the same issues for a few years now...

Originally posted by NotTooHappy
Ahhh yin and yang. Eternal opposites. My friend once told me that everything has an opposite, like yin to yang. I told him he was an idiot and everything didn't have an opposite, somethings don't need one. An arguement insued. Then I asked him what the opposite of a 1994 Jeep Cherokee was. He looked at me like idiots do, then he said I was right.

Hmm, a Jeep Cherokee made of antimatter?

I think it's a mix of both... You have to have a lot of the same interests I believe, but also different personality traits... Complete opposites, I just can't see working out long term.... I'm a definite believer in soulmates though, having found mine after a while....

You know, I never thought I'd say it but there are some things that don't need to be analyzed too deeply. I do believe this thread is in that realm. Reminds me of a country song

"This ain't no thinkin thing, right brain left brain
it goes a little deeper than that.
A chemical, physical, emotional devotion
passion that you can't hold back.
There's nothing that you need to analyze
there ain't no rhyme or reason why..."

So go forth young padone's and feel the universe. Feel love. Stop thinking. Because thinking about love is the equivalent of

And remember, everybody plays the
No exception to the rule.

And that will keep your heart as soft as a child's. Love for the sake of Love. Leave the thinking for your tax return.

uIVIa, may have an important point here. Over thinking what may in fact be extremely simple naturally would result in confusion by having to work through your own missteps. You want Ying/Yang, you got it and yet miss it. Complete Opposites that possess an unrecognized link or unity between them. What could be more obviously Opposite and yet contain Unity than just simply Man/Woman. Complete opposites yet similar desires/needs/wants/traits/ideas/etc. The hard part then isn't in finding it, but realizing it.

I also agree with MA that Soul Mates should be viewed as an inclusive idea instead of an exclusive one. "Soul Mates" transend to all, beyond the restrictions of Life or "Life Mates". It's too bad that the term Life Mates has already been used with a difference in meaning as it would work well here!

[Edited on 11/20/03 by magestica]

In the immortal words of...Guy Bailey a fellow traveller in the trials of life: "You can spend your entire life trying to make it work with the wrong one, or you can spend your entire life looking for the right one."

I always said: "I choose the latter, 'cause I like me, and dammit, I deserve it!

Well, my soulmate and I are alike in many, many ways...and I think that's why we work so well... We like most of the same music, entertainment, etc. and even down to decor.... We differ a little in temperament...she's fiery and passionate, I'm more calm and reserved...(unless I'm looking for some lost object, then I raise Cain until I find it, hehe...)