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My Fellow Christians, are you going to fall for it again this election season?

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posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 01:55 PM
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It's extremely depressing to watch most preachers and pastors constantly telling us to vote 'MORALS' and they harp the "R" word constantly. Vote Republican, Vote Republican, ad NAUSEUM. My question is HOW on earth did the M and the R word become enexorably inseperable? Why do I have to be a Republican to be a Christian? Well.. I DON'T. I may not resonate with 90% of the values the Democrats stand on but I certainly don't agree with much of the Republicans "values" either. Because most Christians can't see beyond party lines we are seeing out country destroyed before our very eyes. We our 'trading' our liberty for what we "think" is security but is instead corporate tyranny.
It's now boiled down to morals/security versus liberty.

My fellow Christians, when you think you are voting 'morals' when you vote 'Republican' you are aiding and abetting the disolution of our constitution and the destruction of our liberties.. STOP IT.

Don't be so ignorant.

We don't have to give up our liberties to be Christians.

There are 'republicans' calling themselves 'christians' when indeed they are not but are instead WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING who are doing nothing but playing ignorant Christnas like the proverbial harp. (Look at the Delay/Abramoff scandall... Delay had the GALL to tell people to look for Jesus in his mugshot picture!!-How disgusting it that?)

I urge all of you to look beyong party lines and vote Independent this election season.


Some scripture that really apply here:


Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I'm sure these principalities, powers, rulers of darkness don't really care if you are Democrat or Republican.


Re 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH; for by thy sorceries were ALL nations deceived.


This is talking about the final Babylon that is completely destroyed in the 'end'.

Boy, God made it clear that the "great men of the earth" decieved all the nations.. and apparently most of the Christians TOO!


I'll leave things as they are but I hope I made my point perfectly clear. Don't vote ignorantly... Just because there is a pretty "R" in front of the word of the party you are voting for does NOT guarantee morals.




posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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True Christianity and Judaism (I am not religious in the since most people would think), absolutley do not teach government...but that God is within us and we can reclaim the power for ourselves.

Now zionism teaches kingdom on earth. Zionism is not limited to Jews but also extends deeply into Christianity.

The antichrist coming wants a kingdom on earth, and zionism is his path.

So in short, who cares what your pastor says, you dont need a mediator to God.
What do you know to do? NOt only that, consider this...does it matter?

I have noticed pictures of Bill Clinton hangin around the old president Bush a lot.
These guys ran against each other. If they truly were diametrically opposed, they would never be seen together as they are. After all, why vote if they are buddies...it implies your gonna get the same agenda either way. Question is who's agenda? Now we go into the theories of the NWO, etc.

So point is, there are a couple of points.
Most is, enjoy life...and dont take the clowns around you seriously.
You believe in God, do what God in you tells you.

Peace

Dalen



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 02:21 PM
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dAlen,
Good Point.. I am aware that "it is written" and it seems things are unfolding as they should so when you say Zionism is the path to the antichrist's 'attempt' at a kingdon on Earth, I can't disagree.


One scripture comes to mind:

Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the SAINTS, and to OVERCOME THEM: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Now why was power given to the beast to overcome the saints and why is Zionism the path for the antichrist attempt at world domination? I know but I'll save that for another thread.

But again, I don't think it's your place to tell me I should not be a watchman on the wall.




So in short, who cares what your pastor says, you dont need a mediator to God.


Who says I was being a mediator to God? I'm merely being compelled to be a watchman. Who cares what our pastors say? are you kidding? Please don't make me hold your hand on what the Bible says about our shepherds leading the sheep 'astray'.

Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.





So point is, there are a couple of points. Most is, enjoy life...and dont take the clowns around you seriously. You believe in God, do what God in you tells you.


How do you know I don't enjoy life? Am I taking the 'clowns' around me too seriously? who knows but how do you know I'm not doing what God wants me to do by posting this in this forum?



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posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
Who says I was being a mediator to God? I'm merely being compelled to be a watchman. Who cares what our pastors say? are you kidding? Please don't make me hold your hand on what the Bible says about our shepherds leading the sheep 'astray'.

How do you know I don't enjoy life? Am I taking the 'clowns' around me too seriously? who knows but how do you know I'm not doing what God wants me to do by posting this in this forum?



[edit on 6-10-2006 by ViewFromTheStars]


LIfe is good, and so is communication...as no one can do it!


1) Never said YOU were being a mediator to God.

2) Never said your life wasnt good. Its a general statement as others read it and I write it with them in mind also,.

3) Never said what God wanted you to do...


Peace

Dalen



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 03:34 PM
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I guess there is a fine line in between saying something and implying it, but no biggie really, at this point at least. Back to the topic of this thread:

You guys (Christians) going to fall for 'it' again?

WHY do I have to vote Republican if I'm a Christian? Please tell me why?


[edit on 6-10-2006 by ViewFromTheStars]



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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" do what god tells you" is the most stupid advice ever, do what your mind and rationale being tells you, stop being a sheep, think, analyze and organize. Judge an criticize, ask questions and understand; you´ll form an opinion and based on it pick the candidate you think is better, even if you come to realize that it doesnt really matter who you pick because in the end the ones who "listened god" picked the idiot who invades a country and sends your son to war because "god told him".



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 04:37 PM
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Stars, I agree with you on this!

And I'm curious--why is it just fine for churches to insist that their congregations vote Republican, but if a church takes a stand against the currect "regime" in Washington
they get harrassed by the IRS and the Feds and their "tax-exempt" status is threatened???? (I'm referring here of course to the church in California which is under attack by the IRS---obviously because somebody in the White House didn't like what a guest preacher there said about the war and this administration!!)

I think it should be equally all right for churches to take a stand either "for" OR "against" current policies--without fearing government retribution. Isn't that called "fairness"?

Or better yet--how about churches stay out of elections altogether??? Let us make up our own minds and don't beat us over the head with the Bible!


I don't like it when one party starts claiming that their party has a lock on morals. There are plenty of scoundrels to go around--in both major parties!

But it really riles me that the Republicans yelped incessantly about "moral corruption" and nearly bankrupted the country holding years of "hearings" in an attempt to impeach President Clinton on any charge they could think of (not that I'm saying he was blameless, but let's have a little balance here!). But look at their own conduct in office over the years! Need I even mention Richard Nixon--the only president in our history forced to resign? What about Reagan and his little "Iran-Contra" mess--for which he should have been impeached. Then we have Tom Delay (remember him--and how "outraged" he was over Clinton's moral lapses? :lol
and now Mr. Foley, who seems to have an exaggerated fondness for young boys.

Yet the Republicans would have us believe that theirs is the party of morals, of purity, of "keeping our country safe".

Thanks, but frankly I felt a lot safer with Clinton. At least he wasn't consorting with little boys and starting wars out of a personal grudge.

As you might have guessed by now
I am pretty much fed up with everybody in Washington.

I wish we could vote 'em ALL out of office!!!



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 01:57 AM
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Well, one thing I know for sure: Deceiving in the name of Christ is probably the worst deception ever and it's happening on an unprecedented scale. If Christians don't wake up and I mean wake up soon we are all going to roll out of bed one morning and have NO freedoms or liberties. Why on earth are we even fighting a war on 'terror' if we're not going to have any freedoms left afterwards anyways? Oh wait a minute.. were not even fighting the REAL terrorists!

Consider this fair warning my 'brothers'..

Ignorance, voting lazily without really researching and spiritually discerning candidates, voting only on 1 or 2 issues and stopping at the party line because you see the "R" word is going to get us all in some SERIOUS hot water.. (Maybe literally)
You guys better start taking in the big picture because if you don't you are going to be in for a VERY rude awakening.


Of course many of you will just gloss over this but trust me.. when you loose your rights and libeties and the constiution gets flushed down the toilet you will be shrilling like a stuck pig but by that time it will be TOO late.




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posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
There are 'republicans' calling themselves 'christians' when indeed they are not but are instead WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING who are doing nothing but playing ignorant Christnas like the proverbial harp.

Hmmm...Does the Book of Revelations mentioning the multitudes of "false prophets" ring any warning bells in the back of your skull?


[edit on 7-10-2006 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 02:41 AM
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Oooops! For some reason, my new opinions here wouldn't allow themselves to "edit" into my last post...


Originally posted by Zeratul
you´ll form an opinion and based on it pick the candidate you think is better...

IMHO, the best candidate goes by the name of "No Confidence."


Originally posted by abovereproach
Or better yet--how about churches stay out of elections altogether??? Let us make up our own minds and don't beat us over the head with the Bible!

...Because that's what Churches have always done, all the way back in known history.
I put my researches into history in general & put what I found into a nutshell here a while back...Ok, not much of a nutshell, but as close as I could cram it into one.

Originally posted by abovereproach
I don't like it when one party starts claiming that their party has a lock on morals. There are plenty of scoundrels to go around--in both major parties!

That's because the Corporates "buy out" both parties, so that no matter who wins the election, the Corps win & the People lose.

Originally posted by abovereproach
I wish we could vote 'em ALL out of office!!!

Hmmm...Maybe we can just fire 'em from their jobs, then indict them on "Breach of Contract" & whatever other breaches they've made to the Constitution.
Constitution: Article 2, Section 1, last Paragraph; The President, before he assumes Office--Direct Quote, "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:
'I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.'"
Also, Constitution: Article 6, last paragraph--Direct Quote, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
So, any failure to "preserve, defend & uphold the Constitution" is a direct Breach of Contract, as all of these Offices must swear the Oath & therby legally binding them to to writ of the Constitution.



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 04:29 AM
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Politics and religion, they just dont get so well together...


Think, people, would you join a group just because their faith is the same as yours? I would look at their intentions first.



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 12:38 PM
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Midnight
That's because the Corporates "buy out" both parties, so that no matter who wins the election, the Corps win & the People lose.


How true that is, that's why I recommend voting independent. That's what I'm going to do. Part of me wants to vote straight dem out of spite but that's not going to happen. I know too much to vote the "least of the evils".

I just wish people would be AWARE and vote intelligently.

We shouldn't be giving up our rights, liberties and freedoms for ANYTHING. Have you forgotten what it took to get them in the FIRST PLACE??!

It's like this whole war between the ACLU and ACLJ. I'm on the side of the ACLJ but we need to be careful to not group all our liberties in with all the ones that are not "moral".

For example, I'm pro life and anti abortion. (Not militant) Does this mean that we get rid of ALL liberties to get rid of abortion? OF COURSE NOT. Not all liberties are immoral. Should we give up our liberties and freedoms in the name of homeland security? Again.. Of COURSE not! Anyone who thinks otherwise is severly diluted.

People are so short sighted and myopic in their decision making, some things are NOT black and white no matter how bad you want them to be. I'm tired of this lame "myopic political polarization" and all the people that buy into it. I love my brothers and sisters but for God's sake you are destroying our country! (Or should I say you are living in a delusion and allowing yourselves to be used in the capacity of judgement.. TRUST me when I tell you that's the wrong side of the coin to be on)

Like I eluded to earlier, our constituion is already being neutered as we speak but their will come a day when it's going to be flushed.. What's your opinions going to be after that? Why wait to find out? Are you going to be apathetic then? Even now I fear that it is too late and perhaps it's only going to take but one more 'terror' attack to make things "clear".

People, Please take heed.



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posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by ViewFromTheStars
There are 'republicans' calling themselves 'christians' when indeed they are not but are instead WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING who are doing nothing but playing ignorant Christnas like the proverbial harp.

Hmmm...Does the Book of Revelations mentioning the multitudes of "false prophets" ring any warning bells in the back of your skull?


[edit on 7-10-2006 by MidnightDStroyer]


Absolutely Midnight. It's pretty clear according to prophecy that apostate christians literally usher in the antichrist. What's interesting is, and I go back to a previous scripture that I posted earlier:

Re 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH; for by thy sorceries were ALL nations deceived.

The 'great men of the earth' in Babylon, whose king is the antichrist, decieves ALL nations!..

To me 'great men of the earth' = BIG BUSINESS, CORPORATE AMERICA...

Who is the biggest supporter of big corporate in our 'political construct' now? REPUBLICANS.

Don't get me wrong.. lot's of evi in the democratic party but give me a BREAK.. There is something far more dangerous, insideous and evil and I don't think it's where most of you think it is.

Bottom line, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm not going to be one of those "christians" that let's the antichrist or any of it's prior manifestations come to power with me in support of it.

Another tip I'd like to give my Christian brothers and sisters: There is a difference between praying for someone and supporting them.





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