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Many superstitions surround the holly. It is a man's plant and is believed to bring good luck and protection to men while ivy brings the same to women. It is thought that whoever brings the first sprig of Christmas holly into the home will wear the pants that year. It was hung about the doors and windows to keep away witches, spells, evil spirits, goblins, and lightning.
Originally posted by closettrekkie
I'm not even sure why you keep up with this thread. You refuse to accept any type of proof except what you want to believe.
Originally posted by closettrekkie
It's almost as if you just want to argue no matter how many people come up with proof that your christmas song started out as pagan in the first place.
Originally posted by closettrekkie
As far as it being a hymn, it just sounds like another old christmas song like Deck the Halls. What is the difference? Why is one a hymn and the other a christmas song as you say?
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Originally posted by Strangerous
Also while we're on this subject who appointed you 'saint'? I thought only Popes could do that after evidence of a miracle? If you see your role in life to spread the belief in your god shouldn't it be 'pilgrim' rather than 'saint'
That only applies to Catholics. The Pope has no say or authority in matters of anything in Protestant churches.
In many Protestant denominations, the term saint refers to a devoted believer in Jesus who work to further the gospel and lives a life as best as possible.
Originally posted by Jade Bridge
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Originally posted by Strangerous
Also while we're on this subject who appointed you 'saint'? I thought only Popes could do that after evidence of a miracle? If you see your role in life to spread the belief in your god shouldn't it be 'pilgrim' rather than 'saint'
That only applies to Catholics. The Pope has no say or authority in matters of anything in Protestant churches.
In many Protestant denominations, the term saint refers to a devoted believer in Jesus who work to further the gospel and lives a life as best as possible.
Hindus also use the word saint to denote a very holy person
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by Jade Bridge
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Originally posted by Strangerous
Also while we're on this subject who appointed you 'saint'? I thought only Popes could do that after evidence of a miracle? If you see your role in life to spread the belief in your god shouldn't it be 'pilgrim' rather than 'saint'
That only applies to Catholics. The Pope has no say or authority in matters of anything in Protestant churches.
In many Protestant denominations, the term saint refers to a devoted believer in Jesus who work to further the gospel and lives a life as best as possible.
Hindus also use the word saint to denote a very holy person
That's because the Hindu religion comes from Babylon from Zoroaster who was Nimrod. Nimrod King of Babylon who was also called Sanctus or Saint.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Sorry, the Hindu religion came from Zoroastrianism. That looks like a trident in your picture. Thats the same Trident of Poseidon or Nepture. They are also Nimrod from Babylon.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and how is zoroaster nimrod?
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and how is zoroaster nimrod?
How is Zoroaster Nimrod. The same way.................
Nimrod is Osiris
Nimrod is Gilgamesh
Nimrod is Zeus
Nimrod is Odin
Nimrod is Dagon
Nimrod is Jupiter
Nimrod is Poseidon
Nimrod is Neptune
Nimrod is Vishnu
Nimrod is Prometheus
Nimrod is Marduk
And on and on and on and on..................
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and how is zoroaster nimrod?
How is Zoroaster Nimrod. The same way.................
Nimrod is Osiris
Nimrod is Gilgamesh
Nimrod is Zeus
Nimrod is Odin
Nimrod is Dagon
Nimrod is Jupiter
Nimrod is Poseidon
Nimrod is Neptune
Nimrod is Vishnu
Nimrod is Prometheus
Nimrod is Marduk
And on and on and on and on..................
that's a deflective answer, all you've done is made an elaboration on the statement, i want the reasoning behind the statement
and still, how is hinduism derived from a religion that it preceded?
which is very much a european/latin/germanic word.
Originally posted by closettrekkie
Saint, I think you misunderstood. I am not a pagan, I am a Christian and have pointed out that you may be wrong about Christmas. Pagans didn't pervert Christmas. Christians started observing Yule as Christ's b-day so that pagans would convert to Christianity and still be able to observe their pagan holy day.
The Celtic culture of the British Isles revered all green plants, but particularly mistletoe and holly. These were important symbols of fertility and were used for decorating their homes and altars.[/e
New Christmas customs appeared in the Middle Ages. The most prominent contribution was the carol, which by the 14th century had become associated with the religious observance of the birth of Christ.x]
In Italy, a tradition developed for re-enacting the birth of Christ and the construction of scenes of the nativity. This is said to have been introduced by Saint Francis as part of his efforts to bring spiritual knowledge to the laity.
Saints Days have also contributed to our Christmas celebrations. A prominent figure in today's Christmas is Saint Nicholas who for centuries has been honored on December 6th. He was one of the forerunners of Santa Claus.
Another popular ritual was the burning of the Yule Log, which is strongly embedded in the pagan worship of vegetation and fire, as well as being associated with magical and spiritual powers.
Celebrating Christmas has been controversial since its inception. Since numerous festivities found their roots in pagan practices, they were greatly frowned upon by conservatives within the Church. The feasting, gift-giving and frequent excesses presented a drastic contrast with the simplicity of the Nativity, and many people throughout the centuries and into the present, condemn such practices as being contrary to the true spirit of Christmas.(christmas-time.com)
The earliest English reference to December 25th as Christmas Day did not come until 1043.
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Originally posted by saint4God
There's a movement (conspiracy?) to make Christian things non-Christian.