Alien Abduction Experiences Don't Be Too Graphic!

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Your description of PG 13 sounds kinda like an Anti Earth planet,where everything is just peachy.No war or stavation,loads of free energy,flying ships etc.
Have you thought that PG 13 could be our dimensional opposite?

Next time you speak to the beings there,tell them i want to go and live there,please!It sounds nice.

The robed monk sounds like an inter dimensional being.Science is catching on to the whole "time is not linear" thing too,so maybe one day we will be able to manipulate space/time like the robed monk.

I love the idea that the Greys could be a form of future human,maybe after some global catastrophe-and they are returning to this point in time to stop the catastrophe before it starts.The fact that we are experiencing global dimming,and massive pollution could account for the appearance of the greys-ie,they may be us,after evolving for another 10 000 years or so on a planet which is so polluted that they(the humans/greys)were driven underground to survive....Think mount weather in the US,or Yamantau in Russia.

Seriously,a great thread.Welcome to ATS,you are an asset to the forum.

Hah, Mount Weather... I live about a 5 minute drive away from it

reply to post by Religion


Hi Religion

I read your post on another thread about leaving with the Greys and I gotta say, whatever the case, take care. I'm actually hoping it was a hoax on your part, that's much better than being with those beings imho. Take care and I hope you come back ....... from wherever.....whatever......just come back. If it was a hoax I don't care, I'd really just like to talk to you and share a few things.....via U2U, 'kay?

STM (who has a few new updates that I will share with Religion, come on back please)

[edit on 9/4/2008 by seentoomuch]

Some of what you remember has a familiar sound to it, but do not be deceived they were using you for there own agenda and much like animal science research professioals capture and tag various species I would suspect you too were in some way tagged to follow growth paterns and cognative progesssion. Genetic makeup seems to come into play in some obductions When they would arrive or leave did you ever fill retained from your own disired body movements or were you always under your own power to move at will? When they would leave did you every remember a faded picture of an owl or other creatures when you became aware of your familiar surroundings?

Some of what you remember has a familiar sound to it, but do not be deceived they were using you for there own agenda and much like animal science research professioals capture and tag various species I would suspect you too were in some way tagged to follow growth paterns and cognative progesssion. Genetic makeup seems to come into play in some obductions When they would arrive or leave did you ever fill retained from your own disired body movements or were you always under your own power to move at will? When they would leave did you every remember a faded picture of an owl or other creatures when you became aware of your familiar surroundings?

reply to post by safteynet
Hi Safteynet

As I said in earlier posts, all I can say is what I "perceived". Also, yes, as a matter of fact I drew pictures of owls for years, but that may be due to my uncle being a wildlife rescue expert and his white owls always mesmerized me, they're so beautiful.

Also, as I said earlier I'm still receiving an occasional "postcard" that doesn't at all fit your scenario. My experiences were real, face to face, and the ongoing info shows feelings, depth, understanding also, all the things that the greys/demons/evil ones aren't capable of according to most grey accounts. I still believe my "perceptions" were/are accurate, and if not, then God help me.

Thanks for the opinion, it's welcome and respected,

STM

[edit on 9/7/2008 by seentoomuch]

This is the most remarkable case, it just blows me away. Their coloring reminds me of one of Steven Greer's contacts, he speaks of a man with black hair and very white skin and blue eyes. I noticed this from the beginning.
The federation that patrols the area, I'm taking this would be a positive force that is concerned that negatives would not break through. And this implies losses. I suddenly felt guilty for the times after we had the siting on April 12, that had a telepathic contact portion (and I presume that it was greys and/or hybrids aboard by the message), when I spent considerable time watching the skies and asking for, even demanding help from the "good guys". The telepathic portion, including that they were monitoring everyones thoughts which I really felt creeped out over, made me strongly determined to keep the greys away from my children. Strangely enough, after meditation and a long prayer, the next morning I woke up with knowledge, images of a federation, of help arriving and a strong certainty it would. I kept ignoring it, but since it wouldn't go away, went about researching possible positive federations and experiences.
Now, I'm just worried that the good side may take too many casualties. None of us know the true situation. Since I read this account, I havn't been so quick to ask for help. These visitors are people with families, and mothers who want them to return safe and unharmed.

Also, perhaps this federation, though better than the ones they warn us about, still have fascist elements. They use their telepathy to contact us, to manipulate us, but they don't actually read our minds. Its a tool they use, but doesn't require a 2 way knowledge. They are told by superiors not to read our minds because we are primitives. Consequently they feel they can use us in any way necessary because we are lesser people, and because they shield themselves against our thoughts. Now, this isn't because they lack morality. Its because the system over their head teaches them this (and boy does this remind me of the isolation we live in here, a deliberate isolation our leaders enforce, so that we are capable of stealing resources from other people, and the war machine can continue). Your children's father, once the truth was known to him had a strong attack of conscious, becoming chivalrous, and also remained single when the situation couldn't be worked out.
Fascism exists by separations, and thrives with lack of knowledge. I would imagine, but this is just me, that races would be interested in learning everything there was to know, and lands and people are to many, the most interesting subjects to study. Sociology, studies of other planets in this case (imagine!), anthropology, in depth knowledge of others, cultural exchanges...The point is, isolation equates fascism, especially when this is a race that doesn't even require television devices and the news due to their telepathy.
So our helpers may still be pretty fascist by our standards, but....

Your account was so incredible, and this has transformed my thoughts forever regarding who is truly out there, and the possibilities. Thank you for taking the time to share this, and for your courage. A member here once reminded me, if the bad exists, and I know personally it does, then if the good didn't in strong enough forces to hold them back or block their moves, this world would have completely capitulated long ago. It would have been game over for us.

Originally posted by mystiq
Their coloring reminds me of one of Steven Greer's contacts, he speaks of a man with black hair and very white skin and blue eyes. I noticed this from the beginning.

Do you have any links for this?! I'm thrilled at the thought to read (and if I have my way) to speak to someone who is familiar with this race. I'd love to compare notes and get more of the details. Thanks for bringing this to my attention

The federation that patrols the area, I'm taking this would be a positive force that is concerned that negatives would not break through. And this implies losses. I suddenly felt guilty for the times after we had the siting on April 12, that had a telepathic contact portion (and I presume that it was greys and/or hybrids aboard by the message), when I spent considerable time watching the skies and asking for, even demanding help from the "good guys". The telepathic portion, including that they were monitoring everyones thoughts which I really felt creeped out over, made me strongly determined to keep the greys away from my children.

I don't blame you, the greys are very alien in nature to us, quite unlike the races I met with.

Now, I'm just worried that the good side may take too many casualties. None of us know the true situation. Since I read this account, I havn't been so quick to ask for help. These visitors are people with families, and mothers who want them to return safe and unharmed.

So true, they are very similar to us. Their families are their priority. I've read many accounts that came across as if they only live to spy on us? To center their whole life on what we do? Nonsense.

They are told by superiors not to read our minds because we are primitives. Consequently they feel they can use us in any way necessary because we are lesser people, and because they shield themselves against our thoughts. Now, this isn't because they lack morality. Its because the system over their head teaches them this (and boy does this remind me of the isolation we live in here, a deliberate isolation our leaders enforce, so that we are capable of stealing resources from other people, and the war machine can continue). Your children's father, once the truth was known to him had a strong attack of conscious, becoming chivalrous, and also remained single when the situation couldn't be worked out.

You have summed it up better than I ever could, that is the situation exactly.

So our helpers may still be pretty fascist by our standards, but....

They are told that their authorities have looked into all of it, that their authorities "know" the situation. That their authorities have agreements with each other that are not to be questioned, as they are the authorities on the facts, though the officer did at one point let me know that he did not always agree with who they allowed to visit our planet. He also went around his superiors and asked another visitor to help me should it be needed, so I would say that he basically was in the military but did not totally agree with all their decisions.

Since that time I've had "postcards" that made it clear that they consider this planet not a safe place to visit without military/authority approval and back-up. They are hearing news that many of the people here are like Jack the Ripper (just enough to make it unsafe for informal visits, and btw, evidently the case of Jack the Ripper is a standard example they use to describe what is possible here?). He understands now that we're not all like that, but still, a lot of barbaric events are commonplace.

Also, update, he has been out of the military for many years now and has been collecting and cataloging plant life from other worlds. He will not allow my daughter and grandson to visit due to the dangers, we can only visit via postcards. He apologized and said that he could not risk them. She, true to her genes had a major debate with him about this, but gave in with all the gruesome images he sent her. Another note: toddlers there don't have terrible twos, or even cry when they are infants, their upsets are immediately understood via telepathy and are discussed with them, they are very happy babies.

A member here once reminded me, if the bad exists, and I know personally it does, then if the good didn't in strong enough forces to hold them back or block their moves, this world would have completely capitulated long ago. It would have been game over for us.

That's what I understand the case to be also, great insights, Mystiq.

Best regards,

STM

[edit on 9/8/2008 by seentoomuch]

I found where he mentioned his contact with this man with dark hair, it took me some time . This video is actually very good from beginning to end, but its quite long. But starting at 10:40 mark into the film, he begins to share this in response to a question:

Google Video Link

His website is: www.cseti.org... His various projects can be accessed from this one.
I actually really recommend this video, its unlike his others, and more oriented to the actual diplomacy meditative groups works. I have 2 of his meditation cd's and actually recommend them. They're very good.

Due to the sitings we had, and the memory that surfaced for me, I really have been seeking ways to keep my children safe, because all my research into this has led to the conclusion that they work with certain families over periods of time. When I was 5 I saw a grey. He was suddenly there (ie. possibly unsheilded himself) and was examining me with the coldest intellect. I felt like I was probed and connected to this cold analytical energy. He was gone when I told my mother and went back to look for him. I remembered this experience all my life, but only recently saw what looked like this "bug man". And the smaller more common greys weren't right either, it was the pictures of the more biological looking grey (what Jim Sparks calls the supervisor). I don't remember any thing, except being terrified in the night.
I believed there was someone in the room and frequently climbed into bed with my parents and my brother. But I do have memory that resurfaced of being escorted to a base, from a craft with a grey and a man in uniform that looked like a nazi. He had short blond hair and was wearing kind of an old fashioned looking uniform, beige or dark beige. I have impressions of being in a room with other children, and for some reason feel a strong warmth towards an image of (what I've read is) a white grey female. I used to have an unusual dream of a water treatment plant that I couldn't place around my town. It was vivid and repeated often, and I believe it was connected to this. We had many sitings, and my brother had 2 hours missing time driving truck for our produce store.

Now, the sitings include my children, who have seen so many crafts, including a black triangle with 3 white lights in the corner that made a strange, vibrating (but nothing shook) sound. My 6 year old, upon his last siting, which was visiting my grandmother in my hometown this summer refused to go to sleep until after midnight. I finally managed to get from him that he thought we were being followed, and that he was afraid of the window and being taken in the night. This is exactly the thing I didn't want, my children equating ufos with windows and being taken. It made me up my efforts spiritually to seek protection, and to research things a lot.
The protection many tell you is possible by claiming this from God the Creator, and our guardians, doesn't work. Just this week my 17 year old told me, while he was looking at the calendar, he remembered a dream of being aboard a craft and being shown dates (apparently for October) where things were written (with names and descriptions) every other day. We're waiting to see what next month might bring, and if anything does happen from the minor to the major, if they will ring a bell with him. Because details of the memory were blocked out for him. Then yesterday he told me he had a headache, and it began full force whenever he thought of telling me about another dream he had had, and went away when he forgot to, but now was building. Then he told me that he had dreamed that he was aboard a craft again and was sitting in front of a viewing screen, a kind of hollographic screen. He doesn't remember anything except he saw an image of a grey.
The protection I've been seeking isn't working.

just a bump to keep it going, maybe more will add to it.

second line for mods

seeker

Seentomuch,did you see any humans in blue jumpsuits,or any humans wearing long flowing robes??Did the greys ever make you feel emotion?were they able to convey emotions to you or stimulate your own emotional response?or were they distant or seemingly cold and clinical?

Was there a human that concentrated on soothing you or explaining things to you?

Were you taken into the ship on a beam of light?Were you given something to drink before they sent you home?Do you have any memories of being transported in and out of the ship?

Please u2u me if you read this.

Originally posted by one4all
Seentomuch,did you see any humans in blue jumpsuits,or any humans wearing long flowing robes??

No blue jumpsuits, only a nordic type in a white one and the officer wore a black one. Edit to add: Yes, I have had a life long relationship with a person who wears a robe. I wrote a thread about it in BTS it is titled walk with an angel.

Did the greys ever make you feel emotion?were they able to convey emotions to you or stimulate your own emotional response?or were they distant or seemingly cold and clinical?

I saw greys twice, one was a servant for the officer the other was in the underground installation and seemed to be in charge of the humans who were working there. The servant seemed robotlike and my reaction was due to his alien looks only. The other one, the one in the underground and all the people working with it made my hackles rise.

Was there a human that concentrated on soothing you or explaining things to you?

The officer was very brusque and angry at first but in later visits he explained some of the puzzle to me in a kinder tone.

Were you taken into the ship on a beam of light? Do you have any memories of being transported in and out of the ship?

Yes, a blue beam. Yes, I have memories.

Were you given something to drink before they sent you home?

No.

Please u2u me if you read this.

Okay, looking forward to speaking with you.

STM

[edit on 3/18/2009 by seentoomuch]

reply to post by mystiq
Hi Mystiq!

Thanks for the info on Dr. Greer and his experience with what sounds like the same group. As you know through U2Us I haved tried every way I can think of to reach him or his assistant to ask for more information. Nada, they have walled themselves off and do not respond to VM or emails though I worded them very respectfully.

Thanks again,

STM

I know that they sound like the right guys to me too. As soon as I read your account it rang a bell instantly with me. But I really feel that he's pretty elitist, but had hoped you would have the best chance of shaking out what he knows as your writing style is warm, dignified, and reveals your light and fineness. I was hoping he would assist you, as this information, even if it was requested to be kept from the general public by the et in question, should be shared with those who have strong family ties to this group. To me, ignoring your request is inhumane, as for you this is core knowledge. I'm sorry he isn't helping you as he should be.

All you could do is try to reach him. I believe, and hope I'm right, that a time is coming shortly, that will reveal this and things will change significantly here for the better.

Good luck hearing back from many of the so called "reliable experts".

I have had numerous contacts with Stanton Friedman and have found him to be helpful in directing me to people who never seem to respond.Mr.Friedman himself will reply and is helpful.

I'm not talking about Stanton or anyone in particular,but can you imagine how many parasites [writers]there are on these sites that actually come here to seek out creative ideas to stimulate their lazy brains or how many con-artists have been caught up in the recent "wave"of ufo-ology?In other words they were full of b.s and having fun with the idea six years ago but are caught up in the reality of the topic today and are making a living at selling other peoples realities.

Good luck,but I believe that all the experts you need are right here on A.T.S.

There are many who never listen to ordinary peoples experiences and only want expert testimony, giving it more weight. But I always question the agendas of those who, often it seems have military or black op back grounds, and wonder what amount of info or disinfo they're peddling. Its grass roots people, and their testimony that shines a light on what is happening.

[edit on 19-3-2009 by mystiq]

Hi Seentoomuch,

Have really enjoyed reading your posts. One thing that I noticed was the similarity to a case that I read about a while back. The book is by Budd Hopkins and is called 'Witnessed' It is about the Brooklyn Bridge abduction and you can still buy it.

One of the people in case had been abducted all his life and not known it. It wasn't until he met a woman randomly when he was in his 30s (whom had also been abducted all her life it turns out - by the same aliens at the same time) that memories began to return to him about his experiences.

As a consequence of this meeting (over time) he realised that he had known her since he was a child and that they had always been abducted at the same time for years, even as early adults. They had strong feelings of love for one another in their abducted meetings - but never knew one another in real life - until he was working on her case as a policeman.

He mentioned in the book that he was given 'toys' to play with on the ship and I remember Whitley Strieber saying the same thing about his childhood abductions.

Anyway, just thought it might interest you.

THE TOYS ARENT WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE TOYS,THEY ARE GEO-METRIC SHAPES AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MANIPULATE THEM WITHOUT TOUCHING THEM, BY LEVITATION ,INTO DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.

I didnt think it was very fun or much of a game and I also knew that they were misrepresenting the reason we were being asked to learn to "play"with the toys.I was upset at what I felt was a hidden agenda and I at first refused to properly "play"with the toys,I eventually became bored of that and instead absolutely gave the training 100% effort and mastered the "toys"almost instantly and then began to do it faster and faster in fact as fast as I possibly could.

I have also read parts of this book and heard quite a few other references by experiencers to the "games"I just dont usually hear a description of the toys as I gave.

All in all the "playing together" part of my experiance didnt stand out much to me simply because learning is learning and no one had brainwashed me at seven years old into "believing"that levitating objects was possible by anyone at all.So it was no big deal and really came as no surprise to me that I could actually physically do it.

It was training or an evaluation of our POTENTIAL ABILITY TO BE TRAINED AT A LATER DATE ,A SORT OF GAUGEING OF OUR OVERALL POTENTIAL.

My experience included information of a Galactic war we are currently in so I naturally feel that most of my experience was in some way related to this reality.

Originally posted by swinggal
Hi Seentoomuch,

Have really enjoyed reading your posts. One thing that I noticed was the similarity to a case that I read about a while back. The book is by Budd Hopkins and is called 'Witnessed' It is about the Brooklyn Bridge abduction and you can still buy it.

One of the people in case had been abducted all his life and not known it. It wasn't until he met a woman randomly when he was in his 30s (whom had also been abducted all her life it turns out - by the same aliens at the same time) that memories began to return to him about his experiences.

As a consequence of this meeting (over time) he realised that he had known her since he was a child and that they had always been abducted at the same time for years, even as early adults. They had strong feelings of love for one another in their abducted meetings - but never knew one another in real life - until he was working on her case as a policeman.

He mentioned in the book that he was given 'toys' to play with on the ship and I remember Whitley Strieber saying the same thing about his childhood abductions.

Anyway, just thought it might interest you.

Hi

A lot is going on in my home right now, all good

I've read your posts, both of yours, and I'm sorting it all out in my mind, in the midst of family mayhem. Lol, I love my family, never a quiet moment, never a moment when some special learning experience is not available, always for the best with a laugh.

I will say right now, in the midst of it all, that coincidentally (did I spell that right?) that I have retained an engineering & prototype firm to bring some of my "toy" memories to life. Our appointment is set for late June and there are a couple of toys that are already on the market with other companies (overseas) (nothing to do with me) as examples of "leaving it at the starting line" and I am drawing out upgrades for them to follow. They have a great reputation in our community though my family is telling me to go to several firms at the same time.

I do not believe for one minute that these toys are nefarious in any way. I truly believe that they will bring light, joy, and an openess to all that is possible to us. I plan on marketing them so that they are affordable to all and just barely cover production costs so as to leave some production money in the till in case of fluxuations in the economy.

So in other words, not a money maker, just sharing at the lowest cost possible. I have all the money I need to live comfortably, I'm doing this just to share. I have many more insights into the "toys" and I'm compelled to say that they do not match some of the posts I have read. I'll go into it in more detail when I have a free moment.

STM

[edit on 5/29/2009 by seentoomuch]