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Originally posted by Protector
It could be...
It might be...
I'm back to this discussion.
Before we go back into the Tao, I'd like to introduce a new side topic that needs to be discussed within this discussion of the Tao and God. This deals with why the topic started, so here it goes.
Premises: Evil does exist. God does exist. Evil must have an ultimate source.
Using this premise, only 2 conclusions can be drawn:
1) God is evil or made evil (perhaps this can be divided)
2) God did not exist before "good" and "evil"
The second one is hard to argue, but it assumes that God has not been alive from the very beginning, but developed over time. This may go along with certain Earth religions or people who tend to view God more humanly (experiences a development process but over a much larger scale).
The first argument appeals to more hard-ended religions, where God is the 3 or 4 basic tenants: omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. If these are true, God was the beginning, thus the beginning of all things. If evil exists, then it is because God allowed it to exist or created it (virtually one in the same). All things have an ultimate source, thus God is also the source of evil.
Now, since the Tao introduces the Yinyang, how does balance supercede "goodness?" Why is balance an ultimate achievement over that which is evil?
I would like to hear your thoughts.
After calming great anger
There are always resentments left over.
How can this be considered as goodness?
Therefore the sage keeps her part of the deal
And doesn't check up on the other person.
Thus virtuous officials keep their promise
And the crooked ones break it.
The Heavenly Tao has no favorites:
It raises up the Good.
The Tao produces one, one produces two.
The two produce the three and the three produce all things.
All things submit to yinand embrace yang.
They soften their energy to achieve harmony.
People hate to think of themselves as "orphan," "lowly," and "unworthy"
Yet the kings call themselves by these names.
Some lose and yet gain,
Others gain and yet lose.
That which is taught by the people
I also teach:
"The forceful do not choose their place of death."
I regard this as the father of all teachings.
The highest goodness is like water.
Water easily benefits all things without struggle.
Yet it abides in places that men hate.
Therefore it is like the Tao.
For dwelling, the Earth is good.
For the mind, depth is good.
The goodness of giving is in the timing.
The goodness of speech is in honesty.
In government, self-mastery is good.
In handling affairs, ability is good.
If you do not wrangle, you will not be blamed.
what is soft flows keep this in mind.
The sage has no fixed mind,
She takes the mind of the people as her mind.
I treat the good as good, I also treat the evil as good.
This is true goodness.
I trust the trustworthy, I also trust the untrustworthy.
This is real trust.
When the sage lives with people, she harmonizes with them
And conceals her mind for them.
The sages treat them as their little children.
What you might consider at this point is that the Tao is a language, as a result the sage by not being forceful
adheres to the word.
When people are born they are gentle and soft.
At death they are hard and stiff.
When plants are alive they are soft and delicate.
When they die, they wither and dry up.
Therefore the hard and stiff are followers of death.
The gentle and soft are the followers of life.
Thus, if you are aggressive and stiff, you won't win.
When a tree is hard enough, it is cut. Therefore
The hard and big are lesser,
The gentle and soft are greater.
To be forceful is to be hard and as a result to emulate death, when one personifies death in a life where there is no death.
As a reuslt......
The reason everybody calls my Tao great
Is because there is nothing quite like it.
It is exactly because it isgreat
That there is nothing quite like it.
If there were something that were consistently like it
How could it be small?
I have three treasures that I hold and cherish.
The first is compassion,
The second is frugality,
The third is not daring to put myself ahead of everybody.
Having compassion, I can be brave.
Having frugality, I can be generous.
Not daring to put myself ahead of everybody
I can take the time to perfect my abilities.
Now if I am brave without compassion
Generous without frugality, or
Go to the fore without putting my own concerns last,
I might as well be dead.
If you wage war with compassion you will win.
If you protect yourself with compassion you will be impervious.
Heaven will take care of you,
Protecting you with compassion.
I am sure you have questions
The valley spirit never dies.
It is called "the mysterious female."
The opening of the mysterious female
Is called "the root of Heaven and Earth."
Continuous, seeming to remain.
Use it without exertion.