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Atta's Florida Driver's License Issued In 1999?

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posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
Hey - don't let me hold you back! LOL Maybe you'll find something I missed. I'm curious as hell where the car is now. Do they hide hijacker cars in some deep dark CIA lot?

hmmm...Enquiring minds want to know.


You have voted Valhall for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Thanx so much for all the info & great detective work. I'm really glad this thread didn't turn out to be a waste of time after all.

Off to do more searching myself. Thanx again- 2PacSade

fixed smiley

[edit on 6-10-2006 by 2PacSade]




posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 08:05 AM
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Well, I guess I should follow up with the following concerning the ID pic you posted.

1. There is no such Florida driver's license number.
2. Atta's d.l. number was A300540683210.
3. Atta never listed that address on any driver's license, nor car title.
4. The birthdate doesn't match what he gave on his other public records (which doesn't mean much, but I'm just letting you know that.)
5. Florida driver's licenses expire on your BIRTHDAY...not on, or the day after, they are issued.

So those five things combined pretty much make that pic a big phat hoax.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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ValHall-

I noticed on the CarFax site that there are 4 records listed. Do they equate to the two records you talked about? Thanx-

Looks like he rented a bunch of cars too. . .


en.wikipedia.org...


( Nothing mentioned on the whereabouts of the red Pontiac though. )

This mentions a tan 2001 Alero he was renting, Fla. tag UEP-54N, was found on 09-12-01, but it doesn't say where the car is now.

Also the white Mitsubishi Mirrage that was found at Logan airport in FBI custody.

A 1996 Chevy Corsica & 1995 Ford Escort that he rented from B. Warrick's agency in Pompano, Fl.. The cars were reutrned to the agency, decommissioned for four months, then purchased by J.P. Glynn;


findarticles.com...


Saturday, March 30, 2002

Pompano Beach, Fla. -- Two rental cars driven by terrorist Mohamed Atta before the Sept. 11 attacks are up for sale, attracting offers of up to $250,000, the vehicles' owner said.

James P. Glynn said he had received bids from dealers in collectible cars and museums, as well as one person who wanted to charge people to sledgehammer the white 1995 Ford Escort and 1996 faded-blue Chevrolet Corsica.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
Well, I guess I should follow up with the following concerning the ID pic you posted.

. . .So those five things combined pretty much make that pic a big phat hoax.


Yes I'm totally convinced it's a fake also. It's funny though how one dead end can lead to other very interesting information. . . Thanx for your help.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 09:08 AM
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Yeah it works out that his birth date is 09/01/68, while the expiration date says 09/01/07.

Voted Valhal, WAAAAY ABOOOOVE.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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Keep in mind, I never claimed that the Atta Florida ID was legit in my original thread. In fact, I made statements implying that it was most likely a hoax. A simple minded individual might have questioned how Mohammad Atta picture is identical on both driver ID's... I can never duplicate my perfect picture pose, so obviously one of the ID's is fake..


It still doesn't address how he aged 20 years in 3 months when matching up his time line between old and new Atta images.. But that's food for thought, and another topic already being discussed..



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:03 AM
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This is for non-US citizens in Florida to obtain a license.


Non-United States Citizens

Original Driver License or Identification Card Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued.

Immigrants
Each immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Alien Registration receipt card, (Green card, Form I-551); or
2. I-551 stamp in passport or on I-94; or
3. Immigration Judges Order, with the customer's A-number, granting asylum; or
4. I-797, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer has been granted asylum; or
5. I-797 or another form from the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer's application for Refugee status is approved; or

Non-Immigrants

Each non-immigrant who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

1. Employment authorization card issued by the United States Department of Justice (Form I688B or I-766); or
2. Proof of nonimmigrant classification provided by United States Department of Justice (Form I-94, not expired, with required supporting attachment(s). If in doubt regarding required documents, please bring all of your INS documentation with you.). I-94s must be accompanied by a Passport. Certain classifications require additional documentation. Some examples are:
* F-1 and M-1 classification must also be accompanied by an I-20.
* I J-1 or J-2 designation must be accompanied by an IAP-66.
* Refugee, asylee and parolee classifications must be accompanied by additional documentation.

The following documents will only be accepted with a supporting document, including but not limited to a Passport, Florida Driver License or Identification Card, Driver License from any other state, Employment Authorization Card, Employer Identification, Identification from home country, Identification from school or college, Social Security Card or other INS document.

3. I-571 Travel Document/Refugee Travel Permit
4. I-512 Parole Letter Accepted
5. IJO- Asylum or Cancellation of Removal - Immigration Judges Order granting Asylum or Cancellation of Removal.
* All required and supporting documents MUST be original or certified.
* Documents must be valid for more than 30 days from the date of issuance.
* Non-U.S. citizens applying for an original driver license will be issued a 30-day, no photo, paper temporary permit and a receipt. Non-U.S. citizens applying for an identification card will be issued a receipt.
* All records are transmitted to our database in Tallahassee, where the information will be examined and run against FDLE, FBI and INS databases.
* Upon identity and legal status verification, a driver license or identification card will be issued within 30 days from Tallahassee, mailed to the address on the driver record. The license or identification card will be issued for the period of time specified on the INS document.
* If a problem is detected, a denial of issuance letter will be mailed to the customer.


Here's for renewals.


Renewals, Duplicates or Replacements for Non-United States Citizens

* Any immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office at least one time after March 1, 2002, and re-present his/her identification documents required by Florida law.
* Any non-immigrant holding a driver license or identification card who needs a renewal, duplicate, or replacement driver license or identification card must apply in person at a driver license office and present identification and legal presence documents.
* If you do not have the required documents showing legal presence, your driver license or identification card will be retained and a receipt issued. If you have an unexpired driver license, you will be issued a 30-day temporary permit. When you return with the required documentation, you will be processed for a renewal, duplicate or replacement license and the expiration date will be changed to the expiration date on your INS document.


Seems you can register from Out-Of-State.


How do I register a vehicle if I am out of state?

If registering a vehicle from out of state, refer to the rate sheet (you will need Acrobat reader) and complete the application for certificate for title. Mail the completed form to the individual's local county tax collector or license plate agency in Florida.


Seems you also have to obtain a new license plate (which Atta didn't) when buying a car.



Do I have to turn in my license plate when I sell my car, and if I do, do I have to pay the $100 "new wheels on the road" fee again?

When a vehicle is sold and the license plate is transferred to a replacement vehicle the $100 Initial Registration fee is not required. If the vehicle is not replaced the license plate must be turned in to the driver license office or tax collector to prevent a driver license suspension. The vehicle registration will be printed indicating license plate canceled (when the license plate is returned to a tax collector's office) or the registration will be stamped "canceled" (when the license plate is returned to a driver license office). This may be used to exempt the $100 Initial Registration fee when a replacement vehicle is registered.


You can not give the license plate to someone else (i.e. someone who has bought a car from you).


Can I give my license plate to someone else?

No, a license plate cannot be given or transferred to someone else. Section 320.0609(1)(a), Florida Statutes, requires that the registration license plate and certificate of registration shall be issued to and remain in the name of the owner of the vehicle registered. However, a personalized license plate may be relinquished to someone else. See RS-27 for more information.



Here's some more info.


Just moved to Florida
and need to get a driver license and your car registered?

If you have an out-of-state license, and it has not expired beyond 30 days, you may be able to convert your license without taking a written or road test. Review the requirements for citizens and non-citizens.
Obtain vehicle insurance from a company licensed to do business in Florida--in other words, visit a Florida insurance agent.
Take your proof of Florida insurance; your original out of state title and verification of the motor vehicle's *vehicle identification number (VIN), completed on form HSMV 82040 or HSMV 82042 (available on our website), to your local Florida county tax collector's office.
In the state of Florida, a motor vehicle is required by law to be registered within ten days of the owner either becoming employed, placing children in public school, or establishing residency. Registering your motor vehicle goes hand in hand with the titling process.
VIN verification is required for all USED motor vehicles not currently titled in Florida, including trailers with a weight of 2,000 pounds or more.


Source: www.hsmv.state.fl.us...

I haven't seen anything about having to obtain a license before registration. I am going to contact the Florida DMV and see what they say.

I've e-mailed the DMV and should get a response within 2 business days.


So, what's up with the license plate not being renewed? The DMV knows who has what license plate. I would think that the license plate would have to be changed before the car could be registered?

[edit on 10/6/2006 by Griff]



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by 2PacSade
ValHall-

I noticed on the CarFax site that there are 4 records listed. Do they equate to the two records you talked about? Thanx-



It's actually a weird deal. As I stated before when the tag number was ran Florida DMV showed only one owner (the old man) - NOT Atta. But when you run the VIN, then you show that the title was issued to Atta in July 2000. Well, the CarFax shows the same weirdness. Here are some excerpts from the report I paid for.


The story of this 1989 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX LE (1G2WK14W7KF262689) according to our interpretation of the information reported to CARFAX:

This coupe has had 1 owner in Florida. The first title for this coupe was reported to CARFAX by a Florida DMV in 1990.



05/21/1990 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Venice, FL
Title #49098011
Title issued or updated
First owner reported


02/27/1999 Florida
Police Report
Case #549820250
Accident Reported
Involving a front impact
with another motor vehicle


07/07/2000 62,696 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Venice, FL
Title #0049098011
Odometer reading reported for title
or registration


07/17/2000 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Venice, FL
Title #0049098011
Title issued or updated



Okay, so in both cases (CarFax and Florida DMV) it shows that that the title was issued (or updated) on 07/17/2000 and the DMV confirms it was issued to Atta. But on the DMV record the tag is only associated with one owner. I thought this was probably because it hadn't expired and Atta didn't have to re-tag it, but then CarFax shows "1 owner". I don't understand that at all.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer

It still doesn't address how he aged 20 years in 3 months when matching up his time line between old and new Atta images.. But that's food for thought, and another topic already being discussed..


He was born in 68 which means the video image shows him to be about 32 years old. You be surprise how the video doesn't show all his skin clearly compare to a mug shot of the drivers license. When I look at my own drivers license, I'm like its that really me??? Of course that was when I woke up to get my drivers license.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by syntaxer

It still doesn't address how he aged 20 years in 3 months when matching up his time line between old and new Atta images.. But that's food for thought, and another topic already being discussed..


He was born in 68 which means the video image shows him to be about 32 years old. You be surprise how the video doesn't show all his skin clearly compare to a mug shot of the drivers license. When I look at my own drivers license, I'm like its that really me??? Of course that was when I woke up to get my drivers license.


True, but don't poo-poo his observation off too fast. I contend that man in that photo was NOT just 32 years old. I contend he's in his 40's. And that opens up a whole new possibility that I've talked about a couple of times here. For instance, in this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There were only TWO Mohamed Atta's in the DMV databases that are accessible, but which covers the majority of the population of the U.S. Only TWO. The 9/11 Atta and the Atta at Lackland AFB. UNTIL>>>

the ENORMOUS coincidence that took place when a man with yet a third birth date by the name of Mohamed Atta got his Florida driver's license on September 11, 2001.

That one gives me the willies.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Keep in mind, I never claimed that the Atta Florida ID was legit in my original thread. In fact, I made statements implying that it was most likely a hoax. A simple minded individual might have questioned how Mohammad Atta picture is identical on both driver ID's... I can never duplicate my perfect picture pose, so obviously one of the ID's is fake..


It still doesn't address how he aged 20 years in 3 months when matching up his time line between old and new Atta images.. But that's food for thought, and another topic already being discussed..


I totally understand and only posted your name to give you credit on how I came accross the picture. Thanx syntaxer


fixed name of member

[edit on 6-10-2006 by 2PacSade]



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 11:51 AM
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Any chance we can get an image of the signiture off the "third ATTA" drivers license ?

the first two signitures didn't match at all, and would have been a dead giveaway to it being a fake, but i guess that has been covered in many other ways...

the coincidence of the third ATTA is beyond reason...

IMHO that was a lunchtime gag by a FTC employee, or other person who had access...
either that, or red herrings were already being put into place, by certain players in the plot.

But I think an investigation of this "Third ATTA" needs to be undertaken, since he either knew ATTA, and was helping construct a cover, or was someone who thought reincarnating a dead terrorist was funny...



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 12:01 PM
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Well, I don't know how we'd get the signature. What I'm curious to know on the "third Atta" is whether he re-newed his license this past December. It was due to expire in December 2005. The databases can lag behind by months, so just because it doesn't show to be renewed doesn't mean it wasn't. BUT, it doesn't show to be renewed.



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by syntaxer

It still doesn't address how he aged 20 years in 3 months when matching up his time line between old and new Atta images.. But that's food for thought, and another topic already being discussed..


He was born in 68 which means the video image shows him to be about 32 years old. You be surprise how the video doesn't show all his skin clearly compare to a mug shot of the drivers license. When I look at my own drivers license, I'm like its that really me??? Of course that was when I woke up to get my drivers license.


True, but don't poo-poo his observation off too fast. I contend that man in that photo was NOT just 32 years old. I contend he's in his 40's. And that opens up a whole new possibility that I've talked about a couple of times here. For instance, in this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There were only TWO Mohamed Atta's in the DMV databases that are accessible, but which covers the majority of the population of the U.S. Only TWO. The 9/11 Atta and the Atta at Lackland AFB. UNTIL>>>

the ENORMOUS coincidence that took place when a man with yet a third birth date by the name of Mohamed Atta got his Florida driver's license on September 11, 2001.

That one gives me the willies.


I read your thread, which unfortunately didn't get much attention. I want to go back thru all the AFB links you posted there. It's a very interesting story. . .

I agree that the Atta on the Florida license looks older than a person of 33 years, but, we do all age at different rates so I could also believe it's a picture of a man of 33 also.

I didn't see anything on the third Atta you mentioned on this thread getting a Fla. license on 9-11-01. That does sound wierd. Where did you find this info?

Thanx again for all your input. ( And paying for the CarFax report! You didn't have to do that! I honestly thought you already had access to the data.
)



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 12:57 PM
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No, no no...I did all this research (including the CarFax report) back in December and January. You wouldn't believe the crap I've got stored. lol I got the information on the "third Atta" who got his Florida driver's license on 9/11/01 from the same pay-for-service DMV database as I did the other information I'm sharing here.

And I'm a spreadsheeter - I spread sheet with the best of them. You just wouldn't believe the spreadsheets I've got going on the hijackers. I can tell you who lived with who and who lived down the street and which ones got more than one ID and who may have been in different states.

I'm like a pack-rat of data. I can't help it. I've got a monkey on my back! lol

[edit on 10-6-2006 by Valhall]



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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One piece of the puzzle has now been laid in. Here's the response I recieved from the Florida DMV:


In response to your question:
I wish to find out if you need a Florida license to register a vehicle in Florida. Thank you.

Response
Dear Mr. :

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

A Florida driver license is not needed to register a vehicle in the state of Florida.

We hope this information will assist you.

10/06/06

For future references your customer number is

Please visit our website at casey.hsmv.state.fl.us...


I guess that answers that question. Obviously, I deleted my name and customer number.

[edit on 10/6/2006 by Griff]



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 02:36 PM
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Thanx Griff-

So he very well could have registered the vehicle without a Fla. license.

Valhall-

I'm glad!


Thanx again- 2PacSade



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 03:53 PM
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Proved by Valhall!

[edit on 6-10-2006 by The Iconoclast]



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