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Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov't

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posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 10:11 PM
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US Majority Leader Bill Fist has suggested that the Taliban should be allowed into the new Afghanistan government. He feels the war against the Taliban will never be won, he stated there are too many Taliban guerrillas and too much popular support for the US to defeat them militarily.
 



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QALAT, Afghanistan (AP) - U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday that the Afghan war against Taliban guerrillas can never be won militarily and called for efforts to bring the Islamic militia and its supporters into the Afghan government.

The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the battlefield.

``You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,'' Frist said during a brief visit to a U.S. and Romanian military base in the southern Taliban stronghold of Qalat. ``And if that's accomplished, we'll be successful.''




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So we went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and the Taliban who supported him and had close ties, and now because it is taking a while to totally defeat the Taliban guerrillas (we ended their control of the government that allowed Bin Laden protection and supported him and his ideals) we should back off and let them in the government so this sort of thing can happen again.

I think not.

I can't believe he had the gall to even suggest this. If the Taliban was let into the government, they would probably, by force, gain control of the country again. The Taliban would then probably allow any terrorist organizations who want to target the US to use Afghanistan as their base, protect them, and probably support them. Then they would probably align themselves with Iran, North Korea, and the rest of the countries that have a beef with the US. I'm sure their first order of business would be to get nuclear weapons to protect themselves from losing control of the country again. Sorry, I don't think letting the Taliban back into the Afghanistan government is a good idea. Crazy idea, yes. Good idea, NO.



[edit on 3/10/06 by Keyhole]

[edit on 4-10-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]




posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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The only people calling for talks with the Taliban are far-left morons. They are, by creed and on paper, religious extremists at best, Islamofascists more often than not. If you give them any amoutn of leeway, what'll happen?

Are you gonna give the KKK or the Nazis a few seats to give them a reason to give up their fights?

Hey, maybe you feel alright trading women's rights for peace. Or any other given in a free society. But rational people aren't. By initiating talks with, or offering governmental seats to the Taliban, you attempt to legitimize their positions on subjects such as freedom of speech and women's rights. And that's just shameful.

Maybe we should put a few token Nazis in power in Britain, or make some White Supremacists in as state government in Lousiana while we're at it, if we're going to give ground to these bastards.

DE



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By DeusEx The only people calling for talks with the Taliban are far-left morons. They are, by creed and on paper, religious extremists at best, Islamofascists more often than not. If you give them any amoutn of leeway, what'll happen?


Sorry cuz, Frist is a bit more of a right winger than a left winger. Senate Majority Leader equals Republicans at the moment.


Don't worry, the UK has done the same. I'll dig a link.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:03 PM
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Jack Layton, our local far-left moron in the NDP wanted talks with the Taliban. I wanted to kick him in the nuts so saying so. I may not know your political system, but I also can't find anyone with a decent reason to talk to these scumbags. Rick Mercer, a national treasure, puts this spin on it:


Rest assured if there are peace talks with the Taliban and Jack Layton The Mercer Report will be there! I've attended a lot of political events over the years and as a location I would suggest holding the talks in one of the ball rooms at the casino in Hull.

I think you might be able to smoke there and I'm guessing the Taliban would appreciate that. All the Taliban really require to have a good time is an ashtray and a few de-peopled women making sure there's a steady supply of unsafe drinking water.


Agenda for Historic Peace talks between Jack Layton and Taliban leader - room 202 Casino Du Lac Leamy, Quebec

8:00 am – Jack Layton opening comments and welcome to assembled media and Taliban representative.

8:05 am – Taliban representative walks to podium, poses for photographs with Mr. Layton.

8:06 am – Taliban representative cleaves Mr. Layton in the forehead with giant axe.

8:08 am – Peace talks end.

8:10 am – Olivia Chow says she is "encouraged by talks” – announces plan to run for leadership of NDP.


Humorous link

A little realistic, no?

DE



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:32 PM
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Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov't
They are already in the government! DUH! And my sources are from the afghan government itself.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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He's right.

The best way to defeat the extremists is to force them into a position where they have to compromise.

This is the obvious answer - you will never defeat these people entirely without mass-murdering their constituency - and the American people will never support that.

This is the opportunity we've missed with Hamas & Hezbollah, thanks to the Israeli's own band of fanatics - the best way to undermine these extremist groups is to put them in a position where they have to compete in an open market of ideas. One where they have to produce results or face the consequences.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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The only way this would work is if they were there to debate and to bring about a BETTER and more prosperous Afghanistan.

unfortunaetly, they have shown that they would rather force the decisions from the barrel of an AK, or the composite from an IED.

I think he's just spouting what he believes the public 'wants' to hear.
Unfortunaely he misread it completely.

talk about political suicide.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
This is the opportunity we've missed with Hamas & Hezbollah, thanks to the Israeli's own band of fanatics - the best way to undermine these extremist groups is to put them in a position where they have to compete in an open market of ideas. One where they have to produce results or face the consequences.


He's wrong. We gave Hamas and Hezbollah political power, and look what happened. An eight-month Quassam shelling spree leading to a war, and terrorist acts the turned Lebanon and Israel to war.

Giving them legitimacy does little but give them more power, and a stand to preach to the poor masses.

DE



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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The same reasons I gave in the first thread are the same reasons that I believe we should not leave Iraq.

If we leave one of these countries before they can defend themselves from the militia's that want to gain power in their countries, we are more or less handing that country over to those militia's.

The militia's in these countries are the ones the US defeated or hate the US.

They hate the US. Just because they get the country back, do you really think they will be satisfied and live in that country happily ever after? I don't think so!

They will do anything in their power to get back at and harm the US.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 09:45 PM
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NATO are only doing crimes against the afghan population in supporting the warlords and opium culture. The north alliance is worse than the Talibans.

Here's some facts about Afghanistan you won't hear in the medias:

- 700 children and 50 to 70 women die EVERY DAY because of lack of medical assistance
- The average life length of Afghanistan is below 45.
- The average rate of suicide of womens is very high, 65% of the 50.000 widow see the suicide as the only escape.
- 40% of the workers are unemploy.
- The North alliance is raping womens of all ages.
- The sharia is in effect.
- Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a terrorist on the FBI list, have 34 members of his fellowmen in the congress.
- 70% of the congressman are guilty of war crimes.
- Sayyaf, Rabbani, Qanooni, Mohaqiq, Fahim, Mullah Rakiti, the Khalqi and the Parchami are in power somewhere in the afghan government and are war criminals.

Enough said of the mission accomplished in Afghanistan?
And NATO support this? How would the population be able to love us? Seriously? Will the US militias will love their government when they will enforce martial law for nothing? Rape their sisters and mothers? I don't think so.

My source is Malalai Joya, a deputy at the Afghan congress, when she made her speech at the NPD federal congress in Quebec on september 9.

[edit on 4-10-2006 by Vitchilo]



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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The US is going to lose in Afghanistan, not that the US ever actually controlled anything outside of Kabul (much like the US controls nothing outside of 'The Green Zone' in Iraq, and lose in that country as well. The US should of concentrated on Afghanistan and left Sadddam in his box in the first place).

Frist is just trying to salvage some sort of 'victory'. It's either the Taliban gain control of the country again, or try to incorporate them in some way, and the US keeps it's pride by having a presence there.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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Vit, way to fail to provide links to your ambiguous claims.

Curme, Afghanistan is barely America's problem anymore, it's all NATO now. America's job was Kabul, congradulations...they did it. Canada has Khandahar, we're doing pretty good over there. We're even mauling the Taliban in Panjwai, which is next door.

The issue isn't a war against a bunch of religious nutballs- that can be won. It's won with air conditioning, jobs, roads, and prosperity. Just need to make sure those roads can be built, that prosperity ensured, and the peace maintained- if not by us, by the Afghans themselves.

DE



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