posted by The Vagabond
Don, suppose guns do kill people. Let us suppose this because it is undeniably true. There is exception to be taken with any claim that only guns kill
people, that guns motivate killing, or that people will stop being killed if guns are taken away, but it is undeniable that some people cease to live
because a gun sends a projectile through one of their vital organs.
[Edited by Don W]
You started great Vag, but you grew weak! Then you took exception, and ended saying it was a problem of technology. That is, of putting projectiles
into people’s organs. That’s a diversion from the issue of guns intrinsically. I know a gun is an inanimate object. The problem is we have too
many of them too easily accessible to too many people who do not need to have guns. We made this mess over the years. Now what do we do about it?
You skipped this step and went right to how do we convince America to give up the guns without questioning whether that was the best way to solve the
problem . . guns are Sporting equipment . . “
Just pretend for a moment that every gun is a live hand grenade. Or you live in a poor country loaded with land mines. You can have all kinds of
proposals, but the only one that will work is removal.
“ . . how do we go about keeping guns away from offenders and victims? . . where the offenders are getting their guns. The answer is theft. This
presents a very workable solution. Make it easier to track down a stolen gun. You just embed a numbered GPS chip into an integral component of the
weapon, and stolen guns can be located at the punch of a button.
I’d go for that but that’s also a diversion. There are 280 million hand guns in the Untied States. Can we stick with the problem. Future guns may
or may not be safer. There should be a whole heck of a lot fewer guns offered for sale in America. Very few. Maybe like a 10 years waiting list. Get
your name on the list by lottery. Pay in advance. And etc.
Legally obtained guns are a small share of the gun crime market, will shrink further because it will be possible to know whose legally obtained gun
was at the scene of the crime. Guns not reported stolen . . would you fail to report under those circumstances?
I have no idea how many guns are stolen, nor how many are reported each year. I’d guess we’re adding 150,000 to 500,000 guns a year to the illegal
gun inventory. Now, if you can file off the serial number, maybe you can disable the GPS or RFID chips? Knowing who the gun was stolen from is not of
much value after the fact. The more legal guns out there, the more that will be stolen.
That brings us to old guns. This is a nearly intractable problem in any event. We’ve got more guns than people in America, and there is no sure way
to find and confiscate unregistered guns . . “
Don’t give up before you start, Vag. Let’s assume most people are law abiding and will register their guns if the Congress enacts a law asking
them to do so. Once upon a time, Congress asked people to turn in their gold, and they did. Almost to a man. That was because the people saw it was a
way to make economic progress. (And the new turn-in price of $35 an ounce was nearly double the former prices of $20.)
“ . . the rash of reported gun thefts (mostly false I’m sure) in the wake of any legislation would only enhance the problem. It’s a problem that
must be addressed though, because guns last a long time . . “
A personal anecdote. In 1970, my car was stolen from a parking garage at my place of employment in Louisville, Ky. I had a .22 Ruger Standard under
the drivers seat. My car was recovered a couple weeks later at a garage in New Albany, Indiana, just across the Ohio River. The gun was not there.
Last year, just for the curiosity of it, I wrote the Louisville PD about my gun, and asked if it was in the NCIC as stolen. They wrote back “No,”
that was before the NCIC. I wrote back and gave them the serial number and asked them to post it in the NCIC. I hope they did.
Shore it up from the ammunition side. Only registered gun owners can buy ammo, and only for calibers they are registered owners of. Wholesales,
retails, and individual purchased are data-based for computer analysis to prevent black marketing. You use that to force registration and you impose a
graduated tax on older guns that increases annually, thus forcing gun owners to begin socking back the cash to buy a new, traceable gun. With the same
technology in place you can establish “rapid reaction zones” around schools, gang-turf, etc where the detection of a gun results in an automatic
Very excellent ideas. Now we must get our “Leaders” to appropriate the money and maybe delay the GHW Bush a couple years?
Here’s one last thing to ponder. Suppose that you had a magic wand that could defeat all practicality and simply take all of the guns away. The
American prison system does a wonderful job of demonstrating that America’s violent criminals will keep committing violent crimes when you take
their guns away.
Don’t start me. The American prison system is abominable. A disgrace to any nation that even claims to be a Christian nation, which I don't. The
system is over crowded, under staffed, and has no objective but confinement. Americans themselves are hateful toward prisoners and ignore or condone
harsh and inhumane conditions and treatment. Which sometimes backfires on them when one gets out and vents his pent up rage on them. Short sighted.
Try getting a job if you are an ex-con. You never get a second chance in America.
Prisoners are like children, they are totally dependant on their keepers. The state ought to have to pay the heirs of a person killed in prison $10
million. No questions asked. He dies, they pay. That would get the public’s attention. I don’t think anything less will.
So, whichever way we go about stopping guns from killing people, we eventually have to pick back up the broader question of how to stop people from
No. Gun control is not about ending evil. This is about dealing responsibly with 280 million firearms on the loose in one country. If we can get a
handle on that, then maybe we’ll take on the Adam and Eve and Original Sin thing and so on. One job at a time.
[edit on 10/4/2006 by donwhite]