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Myth No. 6. “He was crazy.”
Only one-third of the attackers had ever been seen by a mental health professional, and only one-fifth had been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Substance abuse problems were also not prevalent. “However, most attackers showed some history of suicidal attempts or thoughts, or a history of feeling extreme depression or desperation.” Most attackers had difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures
Myth No. 8. “He’d never touched a gun.”
Most attackers had access to weapons, and had used them prior to the attack. Most of the attackers acquired their guns from home.
Originally posted by Justin Oldham
You may feel safe in a society where civilians have no guns, but...what will you do if you find yourself under the thumb of an oppressive government? What will your grand-children do?
As unlikely as it may be, the American tradition of retaining firearms to guard against an unjust government is a founding principle. It's true that this principle is under attack, but I'm hopeful that it will remain in force for a while longer. If it does not, we may very well see the events I wrote about come to pass.
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#56 Switzerland 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
posted by Odium
Before there were guns, there was knives, before knives, there were stones. Throughout the history of humankind murder has existed in one form or another and even if you remove all items from this planet people still would find a way. [Edited by Don W]
We fight, we get angry and every-so-often something happens resulting in the possible murder of a person or groups of people. Would this stop by removing guns? Of course not - there have been multiple murders with knives in the United Kingdom.
If you Outlaw Guns, only Outlaws have Guns.
Speaking as someone from the United Kingdom, which tried your policy it doesn’t work. From the period when handguns were outlawed [1950 and then respectively in 1997] the rate of gun crime has increased to an all time high. The only people you remove weapons from are innocent people, law abiding people because criminals won’t give over their weapons.
“ . . Switzerland, every man over the age of 18 has a firearm. This directly goes against the point you’re trying to raise . . top five on your list. South Africa, banned most types of firearms, Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela and Russia all have strict legal requirements to own firearms.
The Finish Incident In the 1980’s, Finland did what you suggested. They implemented a “buy-back scheme” for all firearms. By 1997 they had re-legalized firearms. Why? The answer is simple, the criminals had freedom to mug, rob and do as they please. In reality, we'd all rather see less incidents like this. We never want to see innocent people die, be killed however making it easier for criminals to do just that is all your suggestion will do.
Originally posted by Justin Oldham
You may feel safe in a society where civilians have no guns, but...what will you do if you find yourself under the thumb of an oppressive government? What will your grand-children do?
As unlikely as it may be, the American tradition of retaining firearms to guard against an unjust government is a founding principle. It's true that this principle is under attack, but I'm hopeful that it will remain in force for a while longer. If it does not, we may very well see the events I wrote about come to pass.
posted by Rockpuck
DW, why not write about the famous countries who DID institute gun ownership in the 20th century 1. Hitler instituted gun control and then killed mass amounts of Jews, Catholics, homosexuals, Gipsies, mentally retarded. Not one had the ability to fire back. [Edited by Don W]
2. Stalin killed nearly 20 million people after gun control
3. Polpot After gun control was passed millions die
4. Communist China has had a hold on people there for a while, no one can fight back because the people are not armed,
5. North Korea little news comes out of this state, but several times the farmers have risen up because the government takes their food
The reason it is good to have guns, is the government cannot go house to house pulling innocent people and putting them in trains if say their neighbors on all sides have high powered guns. The army would loose the officer and trained military personnel FAST, and would have to be replaced with conscripts to do the job. If we became a dictator, which I know most Americans think we live in a historical bubble where bad things like that, we are immune to them in some way, but if we did you will beg for a gun, and you will beg for a man with a gun to protect you.
It’s not the Guns fault
In 1998, the American Medical Association published Physician Firearm Safety Guide and in 1999 Firearm Injury Center at the Medical College of Wisconsin published Journal of Trauma: Injury, Infection and Critical Care debating these exact ideas - they found the largest problem with firearms was how unsafely they are kept and not their availability. They researched over 30,000 incidents in a 5 year period and found the vast majority of these happened because the weapons had no safety features such as: thumb safeties, grip safeties, magazine disconnectors, drop safeties and loaded chamber indicators among many other things such as locks.Education not Elimination
Countries which have a high safety record, yet legal firearms are ones where people are taught about weapons. There’s a strong correlation between Nation’s with National Service or compulsory gun education and low rates of gun violence. Again, Switzerland is the pinnacle of this if you checked over the source you’d see their rate of homicide due to guns and amount of people with guns shows something.Elimination and who is left with them?
Say tomorrow your idea is put through. It becomes legislation and people who desire not to be labelled as deviant will turn in their guns. The Government then pays all of these people compensation so who doesn’t turn in guns? The only people who won’t turn in the guns will be criminals.Let History show you
Rockpuck, thank you for reminding me.
posted by Odium
“ . . if weapons were locked away, kept out of reach, bullets and the weapons separated from one another the rate of injury would decline sharply. [Edited by Don W]
“ . . In the hands of an amateur, someone who is untrained the most simple of things can result in being deadly.
Nation’s like Switzerland, have a statistically lower rate of rape, mugging, burglary, car theft than its European neighbors. That can be compared and the statistics are open for evaluation.
” . . Mara Salvatrucha . . “ Not all of the [guns] will be returned you can reference the United Kingdom, South Africa and many other Nation’s which have made firearm possession illegal. There is already a black market for firearms. Can you deny this?
You’ve yet to explain how this law will function. The Police already can not enforce and regulate the gun market, they can’t close down the black market and they sure as hell can’t stop these organized gangs.
“ . . guns have never been the problem. People need to realize this and stop trying to make that the issue. You can place your head in the sand and claim historians can’t find them. The historians you read just don’t look hard enough. I guess they also forget the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. [Edited by Don W]