Good info guys.
Originally posted by SteveR
I tend to lean toward the theory that they were needed to bring the WTC down. We're talking about two buildings that dwarf the giant
skyscrapers in NYC, perhaps the perpetrators felt conventional explosives just wouldn't do the trick in small quantities.
I could imagine a lot of problems with trying to place massive amounts of conventional explosives, all logistical. The easiest ways around them would
be to either build them into the structure itself, or else use the most recent technology to produce the energy needed from less sources.
Phil Schneider, the murdered world-class explosives expert, (who worked for the US Gov by the way), said that micro-nukes are used as a method
of demolition. That comment was pre-911 ofcourse, but it's a good one. It shows that this is entirely feasible.
Even Damocles has said they use them for demolition on this very thread, and he worked with the military in explosives. The ones they use for
demolition less covertly, though, are apparently just smaller conventional weapons, or at least that's what I'm assuming.
Originally posted by Damocles
MOS: 12E Atomic Demolitions
was an actual army job, they used very small sized nuclear weapons.
the description given to me by a drill sgt who had been a 12E until the job was shut down was "you spend hours packing a bridge with C4. i walk out
into the middle, drop my backpack, leave, and a few hours later theres a manmade lake where the bridge was"
small nukes, but still nukes. all the radiation, big ole mushroom cloud...just not a missile.
A few frames of this kind of explosive being deployed from decades
Notice how small the actual device is.
A few issues for us to consider and appropriately address!
Although some collapse events strongly suggest extremely
exothermic, powerful devices (ie, miniature h-bombs), there are some things that
either contradict or else put limitations on how these devices were deployed.
The problems I see:
- Sections of WTC1 and WTC2 remained standing after the perimeter collapses.
- Much more of WTC2's core appeared to continue standing after its perimeter collapse.
- The lowermost portion of WTC1's core structure ,or at least part of it, remained standing even after the collapses were complete.
I notice from other events for which small h-bombs or other such exothermic devices have been suggested with at least some supporting evidence
(Jakarta Bombing, Bali Bombing, some Iraqi bombings, OKC, WTC '93), that these devices really don't do that
We see the utterly decimated concrete (allegedly at the '93 bombing there were POOLS of MOLTEN concrete -- imagine that
!), extreme heat in
general, over a large area, but other than that, and damage to the area immediately around the explosive, they don't do that much extended damage
to most materials
. Only heat-related damages, and damages to nearby electrical equipment.
I'm thinking that the overpressures, or whatever it is that so decimates the concrete, is carried at a certain magnitude for quite a distance,
whereas it takes significantly more energy to so destroy steel. For steel, the great amounts of heat would have been where the damage was primarily
coming from. Also for paper, we saw much intact paper, perfectly fine paper, despite all the concrete destruction allegedly from pancaking.
A reasonable study of the core structures that remained standing will, in my opinion at least, reveal that the cores had quite a bit of concrete
around them. More than just the floor slabs, I dare say, and I've entertained this for a while.
The fact that h-bombs and other such devices turn solid concrete into masses of insanely small particles (and what exactly causes this? extended
overpressures of a certain magnitude, I'm guessing?) could be very
helpful in such a circumstance, if you get where I'm going with this.
The cores appear to have been dropped vertically after this rape of the core concrete, in both Towers.
Small h-bombs would have primarily only been used (or so I'm thinking) to quickly remove concrete from the core structure. Then more conventional
cutter charges could be used here and there only so much as to drop what remained of the cores straight down, as with the spire.
Another thing that puzzles me is WTC1's remaining core. It was a relatively small block of core around the middle, which suggests to me that there
were indeed devices placed only at the four corners of the core structure in the basements, or that these were shaped
above-ground. Shaped devices, I know they were researching, but I'm not so sure about.
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