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posted on Oct, 2 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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. The issue of dual citizenship of Department employees and applicants for employment has recently engendered questions about Department policy. The purpose of this notice is to explain existing Department policy for all employees and to inform potential applicants for both the Civil Service and Foreign Service of the possible effect of dual citizenship on security clearance determinations. Dual citizenship can present a security issue whether to permit access to classified information which affects recruitment, employment, and assignments.
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What goes on in the mind of a dual passport government employee, what nation does he or she represent and hold true too! These are questions being asked know of american dual passport holders that have government jobs with clearences.
Can they be trusted just like regular citizens or should there be more looks into their backgrounds and political stands.


. The evaluation element presented by dual citizenship is that it could raise an issue of possible divided loyalty to the United States. Title 32 C.F.R. 174.5, Adjudicative Guideline C, Foreign Preference, provides:

(a) The concern. When an individual acts in such a way as to indicate a preference for a foreign country over the United States, then he or she may be prone to provide information or make decisions that are harmful to the interests of the United States.

(b) Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include: (1) the exercise of dual citizenship; (2) possession and/or use of a foreign passport; (3) military service or a willingness to bear arms for a foreign country; (4) accepting educational, medical or other benefits, such as retirement and social welfare, from a foreign country; (5) residence in a foreign country to meet citizenship requirements; (6) using foreign citizenship to protect financial or business interests in another country; (7) seeking or holding political office in the foreign country; (8) voting in foreign elections; (9) performing or attempting to perform duties, or otherwise acting, so as to serve the interests of another government in preference to the interests of the United States.careers.state.gov...


How many career government employees hold dual passports and hold high positions in our fegeral and state governments. How many were on duty before and during 911 and might have had a hand in directing 911 elements to accomplishthe intended goals or destroying the twc blds and moving america towards war in the middle east? Does anyone have this information on hand, if a citizen that is DP is a mole and has the position and the clearence then political movements to a direction that favors that other nation over america can be brought about by them.


05/17/06 "The Sun" -- -- The Pentagon is invoking the prosecution of two pro-Israel lobbyists and a Defense Department analyst for illegal use of classified information as a basis for stripping security clearances from government contractor employees who have dual citizenship in America and Israel or family members living in the Jewish state.

In at least three instances, Defense Department attorneys have used or attempted to use the case involving the former staffers of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to justify withdrawing a security clearance or denying one in the first place, according to a Virginia lawyer who closely tracks such disputes, Sheldon Cohen.

"In my personal experience, I know of at least three cases," Mr. Cohen told The New York Sun yesterday. "I assume they're raising it in every Israel case."

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Mr. Cohen said he has not seen evidence the Pentagon is hostile to Jews. Rather, he said, people with ties to Israel have been casualties of a general tightening of the clearance process since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. "There is an intensification of government interest in people who have ties to any country in the Middle East," he said. "Aipac may just have added fuel to the fire."

In 2000, an attorney for the CIA, Adam Ciralsky, made headlines when he charged that the agency fired him because he is Jewish, studied Hebrew, and traveled to Israel. The agency denied that anti-Semitism played any role in his firing, but acknowledged that some memos written by investigators were offensive and inappropriate.

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Since, 911 we have read about members of the mossad being arrested after 911 with objects in possession that aroused federal attention. We the citizens do not get to see very much at all, and even if you have a clearence to classified information, we would only see very little. But, someone in washington, d.c. has been fighting back against the people that started and ran 911. Were these traitors also dual passport government employees and if so has the government been cracking down on giving out security clearences like candy at a factory tour. How many high profile dual passport government employees run our government or even in that case the HomeLandDefense Office or even our CIA and FBI offices.
Someone has to guide the boat to get to a location and thats whats seems to be the problem in America now. We have allowed people calling themselves Americans to also call themselves another nations citizen and have allowed them to direct our government, congress, senate, military, law enforcement and many of the lobby firms that are attacking our countrys foundations at this very moment!
A person is only true to one master the second is always fooled!




posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 01:06 AM
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I have enjoyed posting to ATS and its windows, many times information that a person gathers or see's moves them to form a opinion or idea of what they encountered! 911 did this for me, I formed a opinion as quickly as I was watching and listening to the events as they unfolded. But one should not take the first branch of the trail it is walking on. There is much to be answered about 911 and the events that unfolded on our soil here in America. Members of Our Nation in National Defense were on duty that day, but they did not stop the events as they unfolded.
I mentioned about Federal Employees with dual passports, this is a key to 911, yet everyone is taking the first branch of the trail it is offered by the government. For 911 to happen there had to be a core of influence that moved security specialists to not act as they as trained to act. Ask yourself how many countries in the world allow its citizens to be dual citizens of another country. The viability and integrity of the American national community depends on the emotional attachments of its citizens. Where are we today but a splintered nation, we fear; fear itself! We use too not fear anything at all but now were are afraid, and in my opinion its because of the dual passport government employees that are running this country now. We know them, we see them on tv every day. We read there opinions in the papers and we accept their conclusions about 911. Why are we afraid to ask tough questions to people that have answers to how and why 911 happened.
Was 911 a fairy tale that will go away or is it growing in popularity because certain people are pushing it. That is a good question, is the events of 911 real. I watched on tv as the first wtc burned and then as the second plane hit. It got stranger after that, who was in charge of inputing false images into the Norad and National Air Traffic Control network for the exercises planned that day. These people have to have a name and a back ground to size them up as either traitors or people duped by others. Somebody controlled the events, we know that dual passport citizens were flying netjets that were tracking the highjacked planes. Was FEMA at the time of 911 controlled by dual passport government employees and is HomeLandDefense know being run by dual passport government employees. How many CEO from the WTC's were at Offutt with Warren Buffett that were dual passport citizens and or DPGE.
I believe that the dual passport spies were the key to pulling 911 off and the biggest gold robbery in the world's history.

To find out about 911 you have too look too the dual passport government employees either as people that help accomplish 911 or poeple that were duped just like you and me!




posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by mondegreen
are questions being asked know of american dual passport holders that have government jobs with clearences.
Can they be trusted just like regular citizens or should there be more looks into their backgrounds and political stands.


Indeed, to many of those damnable finnian bastard sons of Eire are in America in the first place! And their homecountry that they so often hold dual citizenship with has ties to an international terrorist organization that has killed nearly 2,000 people! The IRA even trained the PLO in terrorist methods! We can't trust anyone! Even look at your name, "Monde Green" Green World, you might even be one of them! There are thousands of irish illegal aliens in the US, they insidiously use their looks to blend in with our population! THey've even got parades honouring their catholic St in nearly every major city in the US! That means they might betray us to the Pope also!

[sarcasm off]



posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 02:33 PM
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What goes on in the mind of a dual passport government employee

Probably the same thing that goes on in every other person's mind. They're not terrorist, they just have two passports.


what nation does he or she represent and hold true too!

It's not their fault they got got hired and received a security clearance, blame the investigator that issued them a clearance or the department that hired them.



These are questions being asked know of american dual passport holders that have government jobs with clearences.

I agree, we should ask these questions, but before we hire them. Anyone holding a security clearnace is suppose to only have US citizenship, there are a few exceptions. Makes sense, no? I mean, it's only information that could endanger lives and possibly pose a risk to national security.

Currently, all State Dept. employees (and others) working overseas are required to have a security clearance and cannot hold dual citizenship. US passports only. This is the way it has to be, you don't want to have people that obviously have loyalties to other countries having access to your nation's secrets. Not to mention the problems that would arise if there were ever a dual citizen with diplomatic status on assignment that got in trouble or something.

There are many people that have to denounce their citizenship in other countries so the can get government jobs working overseas. I agree with this 100%. It's policy set in place to protect the US's interest, if someone don't like it they can go somewhere else to apply for a job.



posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by mondegreen
are questions being asked know of american dual passport holders that have government jobs with clearences.
Can they be trusted just like regular citizens or should there be more looks into their backgrounds and political stands.


Indeed, to many of those damnable finnian bastard sons of Eire are in America in the first place! And their homecountry that they so often hold dual citizenship with has ties to an international terrorist organization that has killed nearly 2,000 people! The IRA even trained the PLO in terrorist methods! We can't trust anyone! Even look at your name, "Monde Green" Green World, you might even be one of them! There are thousands of irish illegal aliens in the US, they insidiously use their looks to blend in with our population! THey've even got parades honouring their catholic St in nearly every major city in the US! That means they might betray us to the Pope also!

[sarcasm off]


I really don't know why you tryf to highjack threads to ill them, but its so strange that ats allows you to degrade a decent race of humans that have died defending this great nations is beyond me! To me you sound so jewish it stinks, but maybe its your intentions to be a racist and to post such things like calling me a terrorist!
I believe your about the worst moderator I have met so far here! You degrade the catholic religion and the owners of this site do nothing about it.
Like I have stated many here are only to move threads away from finding or telling the truth about 911, and the terrorists were using dual passports to achieve their goal. You can call whom ever you think is a terrorist, but a lot of whom you called "damnable finnian bastard sons of Eire" happen to have died in wars since this nation was founded. You can laugh at them all you want too but their great americans. They don't have dual passports in government positions like the israelis did on 911, you go think about it before you try to highjack my threads.



posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB


What goes on in the mind of a dual passport government employee

Probably the same thing that goes on in every other person's mind. They're not terrorist, they just have two passports.


what nation does he or she represent and hold true too!

It's not their fault they got got hired and received a security clearance, blame the investigator that issued them a clearance or the department that hired them.



These are questions being asked know of american dual passport holders that have government jobs with clearences.

I agree, we should ask these questions, but before we hire them. Anyone holding a security clearnace is suppose to only have US citizenship, there are a few exceptions. Makes sense, no? I mean, it's only information that could endanger lives and possibly pose a risk to national security.

Currently, all State Dept. employees (and others) working overseas are required to have a security clearance and cannot hold dual citizenship. US passports only. This is the way it has to be, you don't want to have people that obviously have loyalties to other countries having access to your nation's secrets. Not to mention the problems that would arise if there were ever a dual citizen with diplomatic status on assignment that got in trouble or something.

There are many people that have to denounce their citizenship in other countries so the can get government jobs working overseas. I agree with this 100%. It's policy set in place to protect the US's interest, if someone don't like it they can go somewhere else to apply for a job.





How can you be so sure what goes on in the mind of a dual passport government employee, I bet you cannot read minds, for you to say that it speaks of a hasty generalization without a foundation of information.

Why does a American want a dual passport is it for the money, glamore, or the working of foreign Intelligence. You cannot serve to Masters and anyone that holds dual passport citizenship has to betray one or the other.
We have a jewish Israeli that works in the HomeLandDefense and he or she has a dual passport and is a citizen to both countries. Who does this person serve is it himself or herself or America or Israel! We have this now at the top ranks of this country, just like the new border bill passed. We have a dual passport governement employee who is a Israeli jewish american, who placed a Israeli security company over the contracts of the border survielance deal. Whom does this person serve America or Israel, many will jump on the race card here but those that do are not real Americans, just tools of the terrorists.



posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by mondegreen
How can you be so sure what goes on in the mind of a dual passport government employee

Well, they're probably just like other people with dual citizenship, except they work for the government. How can you say what they are thinking?


I bet you cannot read minds, for you to say that it speaks of a hasty generalization without a foundation of information.

You bet wrong, I can read minds


Without a foundation of information.....and you have...???


Why does a American want a dual passport is it for the money, glamore, or the working of foreign Intelligence.

-So they can easily travel back and forwth between the states and their home country. Visiting family, work, etc...

-Maybe, in their minds, they are British or Malaysian, or Canadian, whatever. And they get US Dual citizenship so they can easily travel to other countries that would often give them (not being American) a hard time getting Visas. Many businessmen that live in the states for a while do this. I mean, it is a smart idea when you think about it.

By "dual passport" I assume you mean dual citizenship. Cause there are quit a few Americans with no other citizenship that have more than one passport, 2 maybe 3, all US passports of course.


You cannot serve to Masters and anyone that holds dual passport citizenship has to betray one or the other.

I have a few friends that were born outside the US, one parent is American and the other is [insert country here]. They love both countries and often live in both places...they just don't want to lose ties to either country.

The people should master the government, not the other way around.


We have a jewish Israeli that works in the HomeLandDefense and he or she has a dual passport and is a citizen to both countries.

I think you are missing the point, there are many government employees with dual citizenship, they pose no threat. Clerks, drivers, finance, etc... The problem is when Security clearances are issued to people that have loyalties to countries other than the US. Many government jobs, even low level jobs often require some sort of clearance.




We have this now at the top ranks of this country

Who?


We have a dual passport governement employee who is a Israeli jewish american, who placed a Israeli security company over the contracts of the border survielance deal

Well, sometimes people do bad things and if you see something like that you should tell someone



Whom does this person serve America or Israel, many will jump on the race card here but those that do are not real Americans, just tools of the terrorists.

Can you define a real American?

I'm sure if the USG hade a huge problem (like you make it out to be) with dual citizen employees that they would have already done something by now.

Anyways, there are many US troops that have died in OIF/OEF that have dual citizenship, some not even American..straight up immigrants and you are saying that they are tools of the terrorist? Can they be trusted?

Like I said before, It's policy put in place by the US government, not the people. If you don't like then do something to change it.



[edit on 5/10/2006 by SportyMB]




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