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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 07:31 AM by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by CameronFox
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So if the fires were not hot enough to melt the steel where did the molten steel in the basements of the buildings come from.


Was there in fact molten steel? It was molten metal...my understanding was that there were no tests done on the molten metal to determine what exactly was smoldering.

If it were steel... we talked in the past about what the temperature would have been to cause that...and what effect that would have on the hydraulics of the heavy equipment that was moving it. Any takers on this??




Well here are some reports about molten steel in the debris.

911research.wtc7.net...
The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at Ground Zero. Bollyn also cites Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, MD, as having seen molten steel in the bottoms of elevator shafts "three, four, and five weeks" after the attack.

A report on the Government Computer News website quotes Greg Fuchek, vice president of sales for LinksPoint Inc. as stating:

In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel 3 Â

A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel."

A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.

Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. 9 Â

A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:

Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.



Here are some photos showing hot molten steel and how hot the debris was that they are spraying the debris and the equipment with water.

www.physics.byu.edu...

i114.photobucket.com...


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reply posted on 18-12-2006 @ 06:52 PM by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear Everybody:

I still owe CameronFox a retort on the flight AA11 passenger list discussion, i.e. SSDI versus actual 9-11 victims’ fund compensation issue. I haven’t forgotten, or wimped-out.
But in the meantime, I simply have to post this info about the possibility of holograms.

Excerpt from article written on 31-Jul-2002 by the granddaddy of investigative reporters, the late Sherman Skolnick:
A highly secret unit of the U.S. Military and the National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, has developed holographic projection. That is, in simple terms, images of supposed moving and flying devices are inserted in the skies and clouds, or upon the same. Most every eyewitness would swear under oath, that they saw a real "thing". An "enemy" army can be ordered to surrender by a Deity speaking to them from a cloud (by holographic magic) ordering them to lay down their arms.

Controlling satellites for military, media, and communications purposes, has been the NRO. Until several years ago, it was forbidden for the monopoly press to even confirm the existence of the NRO. A huge super-secret facility near the Capitol has been built for NRO costing more than 300 million dollars. This, without members of Congress on any budget committee knowing of the project or at least, denying that they know. [A story for another time is how key members of the House and the Senate are stooges for the secret political police.]
www.skolnicksreport.com...

This man has almost never been wrong. Sometimes he misses things in his reports, but from what I have seen he is never totally off-base. As you can tell I’m a great fan. I think he’s one of the greatest Americans ever.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods


reply posted on 19-12-2006 @ 06:03 PM by the smoking beagle
Hi ferret

well I've just checked out this guys site. He has an article saying this:

"The British Monarchy, carrying out their anti-U.S. Constitution policies, have set about to effectively dismember, dismantle, and discredit the American Central Government in Washington"

Here's the article The Breakaway States in America

Now if this guy is as good he is being portrayed, how come he's so way out on this?

By his reckoning Britain has the influence and power to destroy the USA!!!

Something the Soviet Union failed to do !

The last time I looked there were still US military bases in the UK. Not as many as during the Cold War, but still there.

How many British military bases are there in the USA?

Britain is still paying back the US loans that they took out during the Second World War!!

And this guy reckons Britain is secretly plotting to re establish a colonial system in the USA!!

Give me a break!!

Personally having read this article, I doubt very much that he is "on the money" about anything!

I dont know where he gets his "facts" from, but it aint from reality!

cheers

beagle


reply posted on 13-9-2007 @ 12:06 AM by pinner99
reply to post by brainsucker


So the thousands of people on the ground in New York imagined the planes hitting the towers? With the transparent plane consider the quality of the video.
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