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Goddess Columbia & Masonry?

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posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 09:15 AM
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I watched this
video.google.com...

which was entertaining but besides some things that maybe goddess columbia was and a mix of images and stories behind this goddess has there ever been a link to Freemasonry? Not in a means of goddess worship but as in teaching or symbolic of something?

Also what is the history of Goddess Columbia? What is the orgin of the story?
My impression was she was a female version of the devil that came out of the sea and gave you what you wanted at a price. In the weird little clip in the video a little past halfway in it shows some movie segment where it seems that they learn what they shouldn't learn so they get what they want yet pay the price.


Also I found it very interesting that the meaning of the name mary came back to any of these:
miryam .mistress of the sea
Mary = Miriam the rebellious
Marayom" it means "Bitterness
The root word "Mara" is also used in regard to the Pool of "Bitter Water




posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 10:53 AM
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I've got that downloaded on my hard drive. That video is just mind blowing. What is up with Columbia? That Goddess or word is in everything including Columbine high school shootings etc.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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very interesting video, I wonder what all the brotherhood on the boards will say about it. More than likely they will discount it as lunacy and paranoia. What else do you expect them to say?

the CHALLENGER COLUMBIA ENDEAVOURS for the DISCOVERY of ATLANTIS

Every time I write this it makes more and more sense. Good luck to us all.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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Unfortunately I haven't got time to look at the video right now, but I'll view it over the next couple of days.

I would just say that Columbia was the original name for the USA and the nation is riven with towns, institutions etc that reference the link. The term originated from Christopher Columbus, and I'm not aware of any goddess with that name.

There is no link that I am aware of between any usage of the word Columbia and freemasonry.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 02:09 PM
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fair enough Trinityman, please watch it when you get time, and then post. It is very interesting, of course not Proof. As we all know, Proof is an elusive creature sometimes, and all you wind up with is a trail to follow. This same thing is discussed in Richard Hoaglands End of Days essay. Before you dismiss that out of hand, read the essay and watch the video they fill in each others gaps. Here's a link to that essay. Heres a link:
www.enterprisemission.com...



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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As my study goes here is my thought and without knowing degrees or modern understanding of degrees I couldn't comment on masonry.

Any Goddess being female would equal wisdom.
In kabbalah gaining wisdom has been said to peaking under the veil of god.
Wisdom=light lightbearer etc

Now the post on the thread above is interesting in what you say about Columbia Discovery of Atlantis. I have always felt very strong about NASA being very symbolic of things happening. Why or How I don't know. I would think it is by more than chance. We evolve to a point of knowing more and more every day good or bad. Discovery of Atlantis in my eyes is no different than the lost word of Masonry or Holy Grail romantics. This is what we are looking for is it not?

When Manly P Hall mention seeting powers and not being a true prince of masonry until he can apply that energy. He just maybe spot on.

Still I see problems with this. To seak these things in turn are bad am I wrong? You can say darkness is bad and light is good but light burns like hell. Seeing to much. becoming sober of life etc.

Anyway I havn't slept so I will not bounce a million subjects in ramble but you can see wisom/fem/columbia and piercing of gnosis is where the obliesk penis comments have came in a hundred times I just don't think anyone really knew the understanding.

My next dielema is where and why does a female aspect come into play with wisdom?

Last question is masonic degrees only allegorical? I am not sure what action verb I want but do you experience a gnosis happening to you from the other canidates or elsewhere? That may sound wild to some but those who understand gnosis and doing whatever that is may understand.


some more tid bits
www.goddesscolumbia.com...



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 04:47 PM
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I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it is interesting and may contain some useful info:


www.abovetopsecret.com...


It was written by a member of the Nation of Islam who's also a FreeMason to my knowledge.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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The God and Goddess are different aspects of the source, God. Then you have different aspects of each God and Goddess. The reason for this is so that you can apply what aspect of the source to your everyday life.

Think of it this way. You live on a mountain, and want to find the source of the water that is from either a melting glacier, or font. You have no idea how to find the source except to start with a nearby stream. This stream leads to other streams until you get to a river. You then follow this river until you get to the two main branches that are from the source. These two main branches are the God and the Goddess. The reason you have so many aspects of these (Innana, Hecetate, Demeter, Cerrunos, Pan etc.) is that these are the different streams that lead you to the source.

The point I am making is that magick is not evil, just as a gun is not evil. It is how you wield it. The video that is being discussed lumps all magickal practices in one pile, and Christianity into another. This is not fair, and is just a control aspect of the church.

I truly believe that there are a lot of powerful people that pull the strings of the world practicing negative magick. 911 was a very large magickal spell, in order to advance an unhealthy (for the masses) agenda. All the mystical numbers were involved; flight 11 hit the wtc first. Wtc is a giant 11. Flight 175 then hits the other tower. Flight 77 hits the pentagon (the inside of the pentacle). Many years ago a Mason established 77 degree 00’3300 west at the center of Washington D.C. don’t believe me go to google earth and find out yourself. This is why flight 77 was used to hit the pentagon. There is also a ley-line that lines up D.C., Philadelphia, New York, Boston and Stonehenge.

The people that have done all this, I have to wonder what kind of intention is behind there Magick.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 04:53 PM
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Samael Aun Weor said that there are four basic classifications of female personalities(the latter two being those who have allowed their personalities to be vehicles of the Goddess):





Female Orgasm & The Role of the Woman in Tantra


Eve-Venus: The "whore", the instinctive and brute woman

Venus-Eve: The wife, the mother, the house wife...

Venus-Urania: The Female Initiate

Urania-Venus: The Perfected Female Master















[edit on 1-10-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 05:59 PM
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The link Tamahu posted noting Colin Powell and the references to his transformation from dove to hawk is uncanny, particularly after watching the video. The other link posted on this thread with loads of info on the Goddess Columba yields a lot of fruit on the subject, including astrological corelation.

I think the video barely scratches the surface of the symbolism.

If I understood correctly the trail goes Columba, Venus, Lucifer...............



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by masonite


Now the post on the thread above is interesting in what you say about Columbia Discovery of Atlantis. I have always felt very strong about NASA being very symbolic of things happening. Why or How I don't know. I would think it is by more than chance. We evolve to a point of knowing more and more every day good or bad. Discovery of Atlantis in my eyes is no different than the lost word of Masonry or Holy Grail romantics. This is what we are looking for is it not?


if you like here is a link to my thread on NASA/Freemasons It is only 2 pgs as interest has dropped off but discusses your questions a little

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think the thread you have chosen to start is great and may help to further our understanding of what is really happening. Be prepared to be attacked by the brotherhood here. They will first seem to just ask questions but soon it will denegrate into repeat questions and diversionary tactics. It happens EVERY time, doesn't it fellas

Keep on diggin...



posted on Oct, 2 2006 @ 07:12 PM
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Well the Dove, Hawk and Eagle are all symbolic of the Holy-Spirit(Christus-Lucifer).

Shiva, Shakti, Kali, Shekinah, Durga are also symbolic of aspects of Lucifer.

But when we say that the Holy Spirit is Luci-fer, we are referring to Lucifer as the Logos, the God(dess') Power(Light and Fire) to Create.

So the White Magician utilizes that Divine Energy in the Christic way through Chastity and Transmutation, thus "Christus-Lucifer".

The Black Magicians utilize the creative energy in a destructive, Satanic, or inverted way(Satan-Lucifer).

So with the White Magician, their Divine Mother could take the form of Kali to destroy the ego.

In the Black Magician, Kali destroys the Soul, due to fornication or utilizing the sexual energy in a perverse and inverted way.

And, of course, through fornication we strengthen the ego.


So those under the control of Black Magicians such as George Bush, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, etc. serve Satan, because their actions are not conducive to restoring their Internal Lucifer to His Original Christic status as the Brightest Angel in Heaven.

They would rather keep their Lucifer as Satan in the depths of Hell, and utilize that energy for greed, destruction, war, manipulation, lies, etc.


All this may sound shocking to many Christians, but consider that since God is the only Eternal One, Satan has to eventually become Lucifer again as to reabsorb back into God.

But the question is, are we going to Transmute our inner Satan back into Lucifer Consciously through Initiation?

Or are we going to do as the average intellectual mammal does, and continue to fornicate, pursue worldy goals, etc. and have to go through the long, painful Second Death, before our Internal-Lucifer goes back to God?



With all this in mind; yes, Venus is Lucifer.

So the four classifications of Women I quoted, is in reference to the way that different types of Women treat their Sexual Energy(Lucifer).


Now in the AIN SOPH AUR(The Solar Absolute), Christus-Lucifer is not Satan, "He" is the Brightest Angel in Heaven.

But since Lucifer is fallen within us and is converted into Satan, we don't partake of the Heavenly Glory at its level(The Solar Absolute).

Only through a life of Chastity, Compassion, Purity, etc. can we re-enter the Kingdom of Heaven.





Klipoth 9: Neptune(inverted)


...In the Book of Revelations we find this angel Apollyon (Greek) who in Hebrew is called Abaddon, which is a Word that has its roots in Abba, which means "Father" in Hebrew, and On, which means "sexual strength." Abaddon is the sexual strength of the Father. So this is nothing other than the sexual energy, situated in the center of our body in the sexual organs, and also in the center of the planet Earth, where Dante Alighieri in The Divine Comedy finds Lucifer.

Lucifer is the sexual potency, which in the Infradimensions, in the inferior dimensions, in the Ninth Sphere, is of course polarised negatively as a destructive force. This is why Dante, when descending into the Ninth Sphere, finds Lucifer with three faces. The number three is referring to the three polarisations of the primary forces in a negative way.

When a man and a woman are united, the positive and negative forces are in union, and then give birth to the third force. This is how in the sexual act we find the positive, negative and neutral forces acting as creation.

But from the spiritual point of view, if a woman and man are sexually united not with the purpose of taking advantage of the energy, of creation, the sexual force, they are united in order to destroy themselves with fornication.

This is how if they unite only for the satisfaction of the animal passions, what they create in themselves is the Kundabuffer organ, or the tail of Satan. The tail of Satan is nothing but the crystallisation of the forces of the Holy Spirit in the negative way within the human organism, in the soul or psyche, because of the abuse of the sexual energy. This is how the energy of the Holy Spirit is destroying what is no good.

In Hinduism, Siva, the Holy Spirit, is called the creator and destroyer, because Siva creates and destroys. We are talking not of a person, but about certain type of energy, which is represented by Siva. So Siva as a creator is creating marvellous things, and as destroyer is destroying all the negative things that hurt the psyche and which cause harm to nature. This destructive aspect of Siva receives in the Bible the name Apollyon.







We are speaking here in terms of symbolism - there may be an angel Abaddon, and an angel called Apollyon, but we are not talking about these particular deities, we are talking of the symbols that they represent, in the Book of Revelations.

Apollyon represents the destructive aspect of Siva, the destroyer that is active in the Ninth Sphere.

The Ninth Sphere on the Tree of Life is situated in the Sephirah Yesod, and Yesod of course is directly related with the sexual organs, or with the sexual energy. Yesod is situated in the very center of the earth. This is how here the three faces of Lucifer of Dante represent the crystallisation of the three primary forces in a negative aspects, in the way that they destroy, or better said, they clean, they burn all the impurities that harm the soul, that harm the Spirit.

In the Ninth Sphere is where the Holy Spirit in his negative aspect destroys completely the impurities that all the souls have, the lost souls that are falling.

This is how the negative aspect of Neptune related with the waters acts in the Ninth Sphere. This is where Dante found the waters, but frozen, cold, in which the souls little by little are losing their protoplasmic bodies
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posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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Thank you Tamahu. I like the repetition of a few of the key principles that apply to some of the different subjects we have been exploring. The repetition is good to gain hold of the information being shared as all of us around here most likely suffer at times from information overload and in such cases won't truly digest new information. This is why I can appreciate the topics being explained in different stories and bits and pieces and then I find sometimes an "aha"

Now, back to the female representation we were discussing.

I keep finding the relationship of the Mother and the Son to be exclusive and self sustaining and even interdependant with little or no use for the Father, except to provide the seed. Any ideas on clarifying this?

Like if the Mother is raw material, unmanifest potential for the life to animate, then is the Son the form she must take to manifest? No, that doesn't quite work, maybe then it is the Father, or active principle which desires manifestation and can't have such unless of course the Mother brings him forth as the Son. Yes, that's it, Like Semerimis and Nimrod, he died and was reincarnated as the Son, but also it was acknowledged that the Son was also the Father incarnate. Whoa, the female then is the vessel that allows life , the father, to continue in the material universe. But, the female or form exists always and without a seed, but needs a seed to take specific shape. Therefore she is honored for her ability to be used by the male principle and not as a force of her own.



posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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Hi interestedalways


For now, I'll put it this way.









Any manifest deity(such as Christ, Shiva, Durga, Shekinah, Amitabha, Avalokitesvara, Ausar(Osiris), Auset(Isis), Hercules, etc.) are symbolic of aspects of Lucifer(The Light and Fire) that emanate from the Solar Absolute or AIN SOPH AUR.

These are all aspects of "The Son of God"(The Solar Absolute, The Light, The AIN SOPH AUR).

So the Son of God is the Light or the Ray of Creation from the AIN SOPH AUR, who is the AIN SOPH AUR.

But the Son of God(The Solar Absolute) emanates as the "Father" in Atziluth as Kether, and then becomes the "Son" again as Chokmah, and then is the "Holy Spirit" again as Binah(The Son of God or The Light, is the Son in the AIN SOPH realms, but is the Father in Atziluth as Kether, The Ancient of Days).

But the Three Primary Forces(Positive(Male), Negative(Female) and Reconciling(Holy Spirit) are within each one of the three aspects of the Logos(Kether, Chokmah, and Binah), because all three are latent within the AIN SOPH AUR, and therefore latent within each of the Sephirah.


Now the Male and Female principles as manifestation, are both of Lucifer(Lucifer is the Positive, Negative and Reconciling Principles all in One).

Then there is The SEITY(which is "beyond" Deity and the Logos), such as ADI-BUDDHA, ALLAH, AMEN, etc. and are all symbolic of the Unmanifest Absolute from which the Light comes from.

In the Kemetian tradition, for example, there are even Male and Female principles symbolized as operating in the AIN SOPH, such as Shu and Tefnut(see the Metu Neter).

The Brahmins speak of Purusha and Prakriti or Mula-Prakriti.


The AIN SOPH is "beyond" the AIN SOPH AUR, and even though they are both 'aspects' of the Absolute, there is still a subtle form of manifestation compared to the AIN, which is "beyond" the AIN SOPH and AIN SOPH AUR.

The AIN is the Absolute Abstract Space which is Unmanifest.

The AIN SOPH and AIN SOPH AUR are also Unmanifest, but with a sort of 'incomprehensible' subtle form of 'manifestation', from what I've learned.


This might be a crude way of explaining it for the intellect, but if one continues to Study Religion in Light of Kabbalah(especially Tibetan Buddhism and Gnosis), Meditates and Transmutes the sexual energy daily; it will be understandable by the Consciousness which is beyond the intellect(The Consciousness already Understands, but we will be able to Understand more as we allow the Consciousness to build the bridge between Itself, our Inner Tiphereth(Higher Manas/Mind) and our Inner Netzach(Lower Manas/Mind) and all the other Sephiroth.





Regards










[edit on 3-10-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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Reconciling, well that is a new idea as a equally powerful existance. I thought there were only the two for duality but of course that wouldn't make sense in the light of the Trinity. Cool, thanks.



posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 10:08 PM
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*Edited in image in my last post so that it makes more sense*



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