Whatever novelties the Russians come up with will never again be seen in numbers or deployed as advantageously as the old days. It's over folks!

Originally posted by iskander

Whatever novelties the Russians come up with will never again be seen in numbers or deployed as advantageously as the old days. It's over folks!

Cruizer, that's like saying that muskets will never be deployed as they were ever again.

Times change, just as Cold War era deployment strategies.

Calling hypersonic craft a novelty is like calling the moon landing a good Vegas show.

What are you basing your opinion on Russian economy btw?

I stopped counting after over 3,000% mil budget increase from couple of years back.

54% of Russian budget is classified.

Originally posted by Cruizer
Russia is NOT the old USSR capable of fielding a zillion man army like before.

The smaller Russian economy can't devote mass percentages of its income and resources to weapons programs like the USSR could.

Whatever novelties the Russians come up with will never again be seen in numbers or deployed as advantageously as the old days. It's over folks!

You have voted iskander for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by iskander
That's how it is, how it always was, and will be.

Still working for the Mosnews.com?

Uh, well, iskander, I guess after that proclamation, there is nothing more to be said or debated.

Btw, memo: h-e-l-l-o?!
The Titanic, Yamamoto, Bismarck, etc were proclaimed to have been unsinkable.
The Russian made 'Sunburn' anti-ship and S-Series anti-air missiles, along with Russia's bolt-on Plasma stealth, have been proclaimed to be "invincible."
During the Cold War, the Russian Armored Forces were proclaimed as being "unconquerable."

List of historical examples could go on, but what for when now we have "unstoppable".....oh, my.

The none sense will never end, but hey, according to you, its because:
quote: Originally posted by iskander
That's how it is, how it always was, and will be.

When things turn ugly, only commodity and resolve is of any value.

EQUALS:

That's how it is, how it always was, and will be.

Moving on;

Cannot even mass produce their own household indigenous computers but they certainly in hell can produce "invincible," "unconquerable," and now, "unstoppable" military hardware. Hmmm, yeah....okie dokie.

Any knowledge of history on that point Seekerof? Because personally, I'm closely familiar with the first Russian PC, BK 0010/0011. Are you?

By the way, which keyboard type from one of those models was used in Soviet aircraft industry?

Please enlighten all of us since you obviously have solid information on which you are basing you opinions on.

What is that old historical dictum again...hmmm..."nothing is unbeatable"? Thus, if such a dictum is 'true,' then nothing is "unstoppable", at least among the sphere of manmade things.

The "historical dictum" here, is that cultures which ignore the passage of time while being blinded by misguided belief in their own invincibility, all become victims of their own demise, and end up being just another page in the book of historical blunders.

Trojan horse anybody? Sadly, these days most Americans will associate it with condoms and sports, while very our Trojan Horse is the collective and misguided belief that the ultimate power in the world is the all mighty dollar.

How much do we refuse to believe in the simple truth that money is the easiest thing to take away, and we only get the point when repossession agencies and banks take away entire lives. We refuse to even think that the hardest things to take away is faith, resolve, and willingness to make the greatest sacrifice for victory over your oppressor.

Even after Vietnam we just shrug it all of and run to the mall to shop our ignorance away.

Keep doing what your doing Seekerof, because the fall of American Empire will not be in the form of "Red Dawn", it will be in a form of another depression, the kind we'll not be able to survive as we did before, because the pace of modern world will simply not allow it.

You want to know what the future of American economy will be if we are to continue on the path we are on? Extreme wealth for less then 1% of populace, and SWAP-MEATS for the rest. eBay anybody? Hey, how inventive that is, a cyber pawnshop, a globalized heaven for small time thieves and all kinds of frauds.


Time will show.

Originally posted by longbow
1. There is effective defense against supersonic antiship missiles - Sea Ram. It eliminated all weaknesses of the Phalanx in this regard.

2. Stealth technology is incompactible with high speed ,ESPECIALLY concerning cruise missiles. Fast cruise missile flying low in dense atmosphere produces a huge amount of heat by friction and it would be easily visible by all IR sensors in area.

Not to mention that RAM materials are very heat sensitive.

3. US didn't make super and hypersonic cruise missiles, because they didn't need them.

Russian surface Navy was so weak that it could be easily dealt with conventional Harpoons.

Fast missiles are unsuitable for land attacks, because of their short range and payload - there was simply no need for US Navy to have them.

4. I don't believe any hypersonic ramjet could make 3000 km at Mach 5, you'd need to provide some evidence for this claim, because the longest ranged supersonic missiles are Shipwreck with +/-500 km and those weight 8 tons.

The longest ranged ramjet equipped missile is Yakhont/Brahmos with range less than 300km, however this is only achievable if missile flies more than half of it's range at high altitude.

“It is the professional judgment of senior officials in the United States that our Navy has only a 35% probability of winning a conventional naval war against the Soviet Union. Our military knows this, and so does theirs. About the only people who do not know it are the general public in the United States and Australia. Nor do they know that a nuclear exchange in 1981 on present trends would result in about 160 million dead in the United States.”

Originally posted by longbow
Stellar - the range and speed of SCM when compared to Harpoon doesn't matter. In order for Brahmos to have range of 280 km it needs to fly more than half maybe even more time at high altitude. Do you think during this time the Aegis radar will not detect it when is it not hiding behind the horizont? Anyway the surface ships will NEVER get 300km to CBG, they will be detected by satellites long before or UAVs long before.

"...but as said is one X-90 hypersonic missile better than 10-12 subsonic stealthy AGM-129 with the same range and payload? Especially if this supersonic missile needs to fly a lot of time quite high too, while AGM-129 flies constantly 50 meters over surface? Because those 12 subsonic missile are equal in weight to just 1 X-90. Do you think it is worth it? Certainly russians realized it's not, because they cancelled it in favour of subsonic variant.
e same about Brahmos or Sunburn - surely one is better than Harpoon, but is this 2 ton missile better than 3 Harpoons fired at once?"

To the IR sensors used for long range detection - it is certainly not difficeult - Airborne Laser is based on them, it has no radars at all. If the plane with IR detector flies high it can see cruise missile 300-400km away because the terrain would not protect it.

Originally posted by longbow
Stellar - the range and speed of SCM when compared to Harpoon doesn't matter.
In order for Brahmos to have range of 280 km it needs to fly more than half maybe even more time at high altitude.

Do you think during this time the Aegis radar will not detect it when is it not hiding behind the horizont? Anyway the surface ships will NEVER get 300km to CBG, they will be detected by satellites long before or UAVs long before.

Their only use would be in coastal waters fired from ground platforms. And to the Oscar class submarines, I think there is a high chance that those will be tracked by US attack subs long before they will close enough to the CBG.

Also again to the advantages of those hypersonic cruise missiles - surely they might be better than subsonic ones but as said is one X-90 hypersonic missile better than 10-12 subsonic stealthy AGM-129 with the same range and payload?

Especially if this supersonic missile needs to fly a lot of time quite high too, while AGM-129 flies constantly 50 meters over surface? Because those 12 subsonic missile are equal in weight to just 1 X-90. Do you think it is worth it?

Certainly russians realized it's not, because they cancelled it in favour of subsonic variant.e same about Brahmos or Sunburn - surely one is better than Harpoon, but is this 2 ton missile better than 3 Harpoons fired at once?

To the IR sensors used for long range detection - it is certainly not difficeult - Airborne Laser is based on them, it has no radars at all.

If the plane with IR detector flies high it can see cruise missile 300-400km away because the terrain would not protect it.
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