VIDEO - Chechan shooting down Russian transport helicopter, page 1

Attero Auctorita, I do agree with your outlook, yet you lack some basic information on the Chechen conflict.

“all countries should just leave others the fook alone? No country has the right to impose itself on another”

Agree entirely. During WWII Chechens fought on German side against Soviet Union. After the victory, Stalin banished Chechen males to the gulags of the Russian Far East.

If Native Americans for example would have sided with the Axis and fought against us, we would be reading about them in history books by now.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union Chechen mafia squashed its competition with their culturally traditional terror tactics, stemming from their clan based social structure, and bribed an unbelievable number of government officials.

Through out the ages Chechens never had any kind of industry, and traditionally engaged in caravan ambushes and kidnapping / slave trade. In Chechen language there is a word for holes in the ground where they keep slaves.

Shortly after the collapse, Chechens organized and used their mainland as a launching pad for gun/drug/slave trade of unprecedented proportions. Citizens of Russia and other neighboring countries were kidnapped of the street of their cities, and brought to Chechnya as slaves. Further more, non Chechen population in Chechnya was literally ether driven out, killed, or captured into slavery.

For example those very slaves dug all the trenches during the war and were used as live shields.

Even though Chechens present them selves as wahhabist Sunny Muslims, to this day they are not recognized by international Muslim community. Their jihad was not and still is not approved by international Muslim community.

It is ironic that it is oil and gas that is in the hart of the conflict. During the first war, Chechens were negotiating in Turkey with Israeli energy companies for the piece of the pie that they didn’t even have, but that is why their terror campaign was sponsored by foreign interests.

Many times they were legitimate efforts both by Chechens and Russians to end the conflict, all of which ended in ether assassinations of legitimate Chechen leaders, or Chechen refusal to accept Russian terms for completely closed borders. Chechen leadership could not accept the closure of the borders because the criminal element used them for smuggling everything you can imagine.

While Russians were being accused of war crimes, it is always somehow overlooked that the atrocities were started by the Chechen thugs against non Chechen population. On regular based they would kidnap people, find their families in Russia and demand ransom. If family could not afford the full ransom, they simply used captives as slaves, or executed them and ransomed the body at a lower price.

I’m not condemning the whole people, but considering what their thugs did and still do, I strongly feel that Russians should what ever the hell they want in order to retaliate against such barbarism.

It all comes down to the fact that Russia was attacked by militarized Chechen criminals, who covered their criminal acts by declaring unrecognized and unapproved jihad on the bases of the Soviet/Afghanistan war. The result is massive loss of civilian population on all sides and complete destabilization of the region.

sirCyco is correct about Iraq and Kuwait though.

[edit on 14-12-2005 by iskander]