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Topic started on 29-9-2006 @ 01:44 AM by Justin Oldham
The Pentagon has begun a series of joint service training excersizes designed to improve urban warfare tactics. These wargames are being held in several major U.S. cities. This will be the first time in American history that U.S. troops have practiced city fighting on their own turf.




www.military-training-technology.com
U.S. Joint Forces Command and its partners from 12 countries have kicked off Urban Resolve 2015, a series of experiments held in Suffolk, Va., and around the country to improve the warfighters’ ability to operate and control the urban environment and isolate the adversary. The experiments also look at means to close joint urban warfighting capability gaps. Once researchers look at different alternatives to fill the gaps, they pass the suggestions along to the warfighter to help improve their capability to maintain the urban environment in which they are fighting. Participants in this year’s event include USJFCOM, Special Operations Command, Joint Staff, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the services and other U.S. and multinational agencies. UR2015 participants will conduct the first experiment until Aug. 18 at the Distributed Continuous Experimentation Environment in Suffolk, Va., in addition to 18 experimental facilities across the country. The other experiments are set for Sept. 11-22 and Oct. 16-27.


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I'm not at all surprised to see this. In 2004, I predicted that the Federal government would soon begin to train American forces for city fighting inside our own major population centers.

The official story seems to be that these maneuvers will prepare our troops for battle overseas. If that's true, why not use a joint services training center like those which have recently opened?

I'm not the only author to write about this sneaky move by the Feds, and I'm sure I won't be the last. They may be doing this with the best of intentions, but I have no doubts about who that training can be used on in the near future. We need to watch programs like this one very carefully.

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reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 08:31 AM by Regenmacher
Originally posted by loam
Hope you are wrong, Regenmacher.


I wish I could say the bull market would go on forever, but I would be lying. The question left is whether we repeat the 1970s or the 1930s and how will this gadget crazed generation cope.

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excerpt: The USA is leading the “Global Economy” toward the biggest economic catastrophe ever recorded. Depreciating fiat dollars and legal and accounting defects in US tax and welfare laws are the root cause of the inevitable calamity. There appears to be a growing public awareness that the American Dream is slowly evolving into an American Nightmare. Voices that sound alarms of the impending peril are woefully muted or publicly ignored.

The federal government is confiscating Social Security nest eggs and dispensing it like toilet paper, leaving Trillions of Dollars in unredeemable debt for baby-boomers and their progeny to wrestle with in coming years.


US war games in urban control can be seen as a precursor to all of this.






[edit on 29-9-2006 by Regenmacher]


reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 02:22 PM by Justin Oldham
Those of you who know me could be aware of my published work. If not, drop me a note and I will fill you in.

The thing to be looking at here is the fine print. Much like the new detainee legislation passed by both houses of Congress, the parts we should be worried about are found in the finer details. Generally speaking, we are just one pen-stroke away from having these things turned on us. That's what bothers me most.

The military had built dedicated urban warfare training facilities.
Example 1

Example 2

These are just two examples of many that I'm sure we are all familiar with. The military does need to have facilities for urban combat training. That's true. How-ever, we are seeing a trend in government today that is sneakin' up on us with hostile intent.

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The counter-measures outlined in my published work may give you something to think about, but for now...the growing evidence should be worth discussing. The definitions that the Federal lawyers are putting forward today which place limiters on government authority need only be changed by one word to allow those powers to be used on...us.



reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 05:27 PM by DeusEx
Justin, take my word on it. My country has had some serious stuff happen here too.

The Oka Crisis, for the Uninformed

The recent Caledonia protest, which NEEDED military force but didn't have it.

While the neutrality of those articles sway towards native claims, the basic facts are true. Seattle really DID need National Guard or something to break up the damage, as did the Quebec Summit.

Does anyone have any stats on the number of injured or property damage from the aforementioned riots?

DE



reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 05:36 PM by Justin Oldham
I don't doubt you at all. Americans have relied on the Posse Comitatus Act for more than a century to prevent Federal troops from being placed in that situation. We should feel fortunate that we don't have to go through what you have and are still working through.

Posse Comitatus

After our first civil war, we had any number of incidents involving Federal troops in which they fired on civilians to break up riots. This, added to the historical aco#s of British troops doing the same thing during our Colonial period...have left us with a bad taste, if you know what I mean.

The fact that we are so close to a repeat of those bad old days makes many of us worry. As popular as my work is, I will never do enugh radio spots to convince enough people to watch out for this threat. I know it, and that's why I talk about it.

What else can you tell us about your own perspective? I thnk it would be worth hearing.


reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 06:10 PM by DeusEx
Well, firstly, my position is HARDLY the position of most Canadians, as far as I know.

Secondly, my background does present a little bit of bias towards those I see as violators of the law, as well as the lax Canadian justice system. I am a college graduate of a program in Law and Private Security. I have worked security for the better part of those two years, seeing how the industry works. I am due to head to Canadian Forces Basic Military Qualification on the 30th of October.

That said, I continue. My cousins (both reserve force) have been trained in riot control. I have not. However, I have seen my fair share of protests. I have watched Hamilton PD officers watch with arms folded as protesters sat and smoked marijuana for the cause of it's decriminalization. There was zero arrests, zero injuries. This is what constitutes a peaceful protest to me. Similarly, the loud and generally protests of the supporters of both Israel and Palestine/Lebannon during the recent conflict were peaceful, save a few assault charges. No police injuries, only a few minor scuffles. Again, peaceful protesting.

The WTO, Summit of Americas, and native protests are not what I consider to be either peaceful nor suitable for police control. It took the better part of a day for police in Seattle to clear a route -not the city, a route- for the delegates through blockades of people and debris. All the while, the city was burning. After that, the ACLU came after the department with a pointy stick, despite the fact that they were facing very violent protests and were severely undermanned.

Contrast that to the Quebec Summit, and the SQ and local police forces just barely held a perimeter. The reserves -if not the Van Doos- should have been called out to aid police. Multiple times the security fences were breached.

To me, a riot that last more than about four hours is unacceptable, due to potential loss of life and property damage. If the riots cannot be controlled after four hours, it's time to call in the calvary before someone gets seriously hurt. My assumption from your comments is that while the National Guard is sort of equipped for these situations, they're not trained for it. They're soldiers with doweling, riot shields and helmets. Not much good, but much better than nothing. Our soldiers are, at least, partially trained to detain, deploy teargas, etc.

Another item of note, and I'm not sure how much of this is common knowledge, but there is a culture of protest, for lack of better expression. It has existed at least since the sixties, and borders on the militant. Lately, I have noted that it is indeed growing more militant. The introduction of regular
black bloc groups, street medics, and growing organization among 'moblization groups' makes a case that indeed, militancy on certain issues, especially regarding globalization and the Iraq war. the dissemination of anti-police tactics on the net is happening to unbelievable degree.

Not all protesters are violence, but there are groups of them that are both violent and destructively criminal. These groups often attack or injure police, as well as fellow protesters either directly or indirectly. That said, I do believe that if current trends continue, either the police will have to become more militant, or the military will ahve to be called down to help quell riots as they did (albeit far too late) in the Rodney King riots. That was tradgic enough in itself, but police either haven't learned, or have learned and can't do much about it. There are only so many boots they can put on the street, and they will ALWAYS be outnumbered by protesters.

While I envy the rights offered by your constitution -especially the second ammendment- it's also good to know that should I end up in policing (or lord forbid, private security) that the army is available to help contain the violence.

Well, most of the time.

DE
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