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General Musharraf In The Line of Fire!!

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posted on Sep, 29 2006 @ 12:52 AM
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Is General Musharraf a liar or plain incompetent or so dumb that he doesn't know what he's talking about?

In his just published book, 'In The Line Of Fire', he says:

The CIA paid him millions of dollars for extriditing Al Qaeda militants.

That's humbug! The CIA refutes this allegation. Why would they pay Pakistan for extradition? The US had threatened Pakistan of getting bombed back to the stone age if they didn't cooperate in the war against terror. So why the pay off?

Gen Mush says that India copied nuke designs from Pakistan!

Not sure whether this was supposed to be a joke of some kind. Has he forgotten that India had exploded a nuclear device way back in the early seventies? And that they are one of the pioneers in Fast Breeder Reactors? The Pak nuke program is stolen from China, who have also helped them in older generation technology.

He says that the Pak nuke scientist, the disgraced AQ Khan, had acted on his own in the vast wordwide nuclear smuggling racket which he controlled and that the Pak government had nothing to do with it and therefore unaware of it!

Couldn't be farther from the truth. It's an open secret that Gen Mush and and his top Army and Airforce advisors 'secretly' traded nuclear technology with North Korea in exchange for missiles. And further making an ass of himself by saying that these missiles are indegenously produced!! What does he say of the planeloads of nuclear related equipment being sent to North Korea in American made C-130s?? The Americans were naturally livid. Could a civilian use the airforce for helping him in a private smuggling operation?

He says that Pakistan won the Kargil war against India and that it was a landmark in the history of the Pakistan Army.

This is utter tripe! Though on paper it was a good plan, but in actuals it was one of the biggest military disasters in Pak history next only to their defeat at the hands of the Indian Army in the 1971 Bangladesh war. And all of Pakistans knows this. He can fool some of the people some of the time, but he cannot fool all the people all the time!

He insists that the Kargil war was primarily planned and executed by the so called Mujahideen or 'freedom fighters'.

Nothing can be farther from the truth. 10 regular and para military units were involved in this operation. The so called Mujahideen were used only as porters! And it took the Pak Army two years to plan.

He claims that Pakistan is not helping the Taliban.

This is utter rubbish. If not from Pakistan, where is the Taliban getting all their weapons, ammo, and logistics support from? Sudan? Somalia? So who is Gen Mush trying to fool? The Taliban would have collapsed long ago had it not been for the active military support given by Mush through the ISI, the Pak Inter Services Intelligence.

The ISI is now intrinsic to terror and Pakistan the fountain head of terrorism in South Asia, the Middle East, Africa and many parts of Europe. 9/11, the London bombings, the Mumbai blasts etc, were all connected to Pakistan.

But Gen Mush nowadays walks around with a swagger, and is a 'hot favourite' with the Bush administration. You see, he's helping America in the war against terrorism!!
A classic case of running with the hare whilst hunting with the hounds!!




posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 03:09 AM
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I haven't read the book, but I would have to guess the first possibility. Likely he threw in a bunch of propaganda to make himself look good. Although, just because the CIA refutes something, doesn't mean they didn't do it.



posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 03:14 AM
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I think the general is on a self-publicity trip


And as he is on such a trip, you would not expect him to say, "We lost the Kargil war" would you.



posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 03:35 AM
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I believe General Pervez Musharaff is walking on a razors edge. He is covertly being paid millions to support the war on terrorism, yet he, or elements within his government are clandestinly helping both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. If President Musharaff really cracked down on such clandestine support he would probably be assasinated in short order. I personally don't think he has anywhere near complete control of his own government and intentionally turns a blind eye to some of the things the ISI does. Moreover, I don't think it is in either his political or economic interest to really solve the terrorist training and support situation in his country.

[edit on 30-9-2006 by Astronomer70]



posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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I listened to a CBC interview with "Mush". And one with Hamid "Carlyle" Karzai too... I am unimpressed favourably. Allies? Ok... if you "friends" say so. But if Pakistan goes... then so goes the rest of the "stans" domino-style and then we'll really be "sittin' pretty." India is not entirely without her challenges either.

You know, I'm not sure I trust any of the players on all sides. Terrorists as a "cash" crop... "Mush" grows 'em and the "War On Terror Marketing Board" or the "FDA of Fear" buys them, guilty or not? Talk about a trade subsidy. Even worse - there may no better solution at this juncture...

Victor K.

38'

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posted on Sep, 30 2006 @ 12:14 PM
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I don't trust him at all........

here is why:

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posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by V Kaminski
India is not entirely without her challenges either.

[edit on 30-9-2006 by V Kaminski]


Could You elaborate on this bit?
I didn't quite get that..



posted on Oct, 6 2006 @ 12:53 AM
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What I find somewhat inexplicible about Pakistan is that the U.S. has consistently backed the government for over 35 years now. It has always seemed to me that we should have supported the Indians, not the Pakistanis. Of course, the Indians have never been willing to be the stooges of the U.S., or ever done much of anything to support U.S. policy positions around the world either. I just find it strange that Chinese and U.S. policy seems to find common ground in Pakistan.



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
I don't trust him at all........

here is why:

ATS Link


ed, your thread made interesting reading! But the link you provided here, was, good heavens(!), written by..??
Somewhat extreme and seemed to have been written by a guy that Mush had scre@@d real bad!!


Anyway, some facts are so far out, they'll probably reach Mars! It says:

Pakistan's ISI - 275,000 Intelligence Operatives
(Actually 40,000, including informants and assets).

Pakistan's Regular Army and Air Force and Navy: 6,000,000 Personnel
(Actually just 750,000, not six million!!)

Al Qaeda - Kashmiri Branch - 2,500 Personnel
(That's news to me!!)

100 Atomic Weapons, approximately 50 - 500 Kiloton Yield (200 by the year 2005)
(WOW!! Where's the nearest nuke shelter??!! Actually around 20, all of nominal yield).

1 Hydrogen Weapon, approximately 1-2 Megaton Yield (20 by year 2005, 5-10 Megatons) [Musharraf obtained most of his Nuclear Technology from US, German, French, Russian and Chinese Sources through illegal channels]
(This is bull#. No Hydrogen bombs).

Small Air Force of a thousand jets.
(366 actually)

25,000 Tanks, 70,000 Armored Vehicles
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2300 tanks and 1200 Armoured Vehicles only - all types.)

But the article, per se, was worth a read!


[edit on 7-10-2006 by mikesingh]



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Astronomer70
What I find somewhat inexplicible about Pakistan is that the U.S. has consistently backed the government for over 35 years now. It has always seemed to me that we should have supported the Indians, not the Pakistanis. Of course, the Indians have never been willing to be the stooges of the U.S., or ever done much of anything to support U.S. policy positions around the world either. I just find it strange that Chinese and U.S. policy seems to find common ground in Pakistan.


Actually, although the US & Chinese both support Pakistan, their reasons for doing so are very different.

The Indians, like u stated, were never willing to be American stooges. And Nehru had a noted bias towards socialism and hence the USSR. This guided Indian foreign poilcy into closer relations with the Soviets adn hence the US support to Pakistan, as a counter-measure.

The Chinese, see the Indian state as the only real 'competition' in not only South Asia, but South-East Asia as well. Hence the use of Pakistan as a constant distraction if u will.



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