Originally posted by littlebird
im sorry , but all these sources are not enough to supply the earth. we are running out.
No we are not running out and the authorities that are supposed to know say so clearly. If you want to disagree ( i don't trust them either but i try
find facts before i try state something as fact) you will have to show that they are in fact lying...
we get more imports than we export. if you look at the trend for not only the usa, but other nations, you get the same problem.
What does this in your opinion prove? How is it in your mind possible that most import and no one produces? Fact is the supply is growing faster than
the demand and the recent high prices have been caused by temporary price manipulation and geopolitical interventions.
the only ones with oil comming out of theirs ears is saudi,
Not true at all so maybe some more research? Nigeria, Libya, Russia and the dozen others?
the nations largest suppliers come from here.
Actually the majority of the US oil supply does not even come from the ME!
with all of us useing these fuels we will run dry.
Why is the world production growing persistently and consistently as demand rises?
it has already started. we have not found any vast pockets as of yet.
So do you know no better or are you really just this ignorant of the major finds that are still being made? Why do you think we need major finds to
fuel world growth anyways?
they say that they have in the usa, well then bring it on start pumping.
How are having oil and exploiting that oil connected at all? Why do twenty five thousand people still starve to death in a world that produces more
than enough food for everyone? Supply and demand are only connected when there is no manipulation of markets and no governments acting in self
the media lies. there is no vast pocket found.
So why and how do they keep finding it?
if there was we would be pumping it and selling it to the nations and making a killing on profits, but there is no such thing.
Why not just build all the worlds cars ( as America once did) and keep all American industries in America? What does having the skills or resources
have to do with exploiting them? Why would one use your own oil when you can terrorize others by means of aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons into
selling theirs on the cheap? Why would a government who wants to control it's people allow them such cheap reserves of energy thus making them ever
more independent of government?
i dont care what the media says ,
You should as it can reveal more than you think...
there is no vast pockets in the usa. we have not found any, or else we would be pumping it.
Well the evidence says otherwise and if you want to disagree with mainstream science you absolutely MUST show why as is the norm here.
if so, show a link on the web telling me different, and are they pumping it or running there mouth.
There are plenty of links all over the internet and if you refuse to find them that does not change reality. Tell me why you disagree with what is
commonly accepted if you want to hold a real discussion.
it is a lie, show me the oil, show me the pumping of this vast so called pockets. there is none. show US, the proof.
So why do you think this with so much evidence ( all of the US government for instance) against? What do you base your arguments on beside claiming
that everyone who disagrees are lying?
Originally posted by littlebird
steller x why are they not pumping the oil?
Because it's not in their interest to flood the market any more than it already is? Remember how the old price crashed to 8 USD per barrel in the
where are the oil refineries, where is this big oil pockets.
They have not built one in the USA since 1976 despite new old finds in Alaska and the gulf so try reach your own conclusions...
so they just say f the people we will not sell the new oil pockets to them.
Many countries are dependent for their economic survival on selling oil and they can really not afford to by picky about who they sell to....
where is all this oil anyways. have you seen the rigs or anything.
They are all over but if you refuse to believe what you see and hear what can i do after having provided so much source material in the past?
well tell me words of knoweledge, why are we in the gulf, with both east and west coast battlegroups?
Because there is too much oil on the world market and it must be kept of it for oil prices to stay high and the US dollar to stay strong? Possibly
because it's a strategic area of the world even independent of the relative oil wealth? The cost in terms of military expenditure is far in excess of
the oil that comes from there so basically the US could make a massive profit using the military expenditure and just developing oil reserves in North
America or South America...
why are we now useing old retired ships and sending them out? to defend what?
Well i have a few theories but it's clearly not about any oil in the ground shortage!
something is happenning with our oil resources , what? the iran nuke thing cannot be the reason for all this, something is happenning
Why is Iran not pertinent to this debate? Iran is trying to set a relatively independent course in geopolitical affairs and that the US government
rarely allows. Why do you think this has anything to do with oil? There are far weaker countries to steal oil from so that can clearly not be the sole
reason for wanting to attack a country with possible a few nuclear warheads...
can you answer any of these questions. i have no answers,
Well i think i can and you had very many answers yourself so why suddenly admit your insecurity on this issue?
i just watch the news and go online news all over.tell me why is this happenning?
The news is telling you that oil is not running out so i am not sure what you are watching...
ill tell you why, it is the oil. there is a problem there.
Sure there is but the evidence very strongly indicates that it's becasue it's so abundant ( despite all the attempts to prevent it's exploitation)
that we are having so many problems.
this nuke thing does not help. we will go to iran. we just don't send 144000 troops on the ground in iraq and send another 30000 troops on
ships at the gulf. now we are deploying old retired ships to defend our borders like the one they got out of the mud and the ones in washington,
bremerton and others, why.
Well i am surprised Iran requires a 'scraping of the barrel' to terrorize as last i checked there were plenty of modern equipment to do the job
with? I have some theories as to why the US army is being perpetually weakened by these 'pointless' ( if one presume that they are in America's
interest, which they are not) forays but i would rather not broaden the discussion any more than i have to at this time...
what are we getting into and what is happenning here? i think it is because of this oil thing and i will stand my ground on the
Well i think they are so desperate now that they are willing to tell the truth in public, knowing that they will not be believed by the ever more
critical audience, while spreading lies in relative secrecy hoping that those who dig just a little deeper ( the vast majority who dig at all don't
really have the stomach for it so don't get far) can be controlled in that way. If this has to do with oil at all , and i am not so sure it does,
it's to prevent oil from reaching the market and not to 'secure' it for America for some future use. Depending on who you believe the USA have
based on conservative estimations between fifty and three hundred years worth of oil not including what can be done SASOL style if America's coal
reserves become fully exploited. Considering all the 'free' energy technologies being suppressed this is can clearly not be a matter of energy
security no matter what the oil situation.
if we have so much oil why are we not pumping it and selling it to other nations. maybe because the media and people are liers.
Well in my knowledge that is happening to restrict the growth of the American economy and to basically hollow it out for future take-over or
destruction. America's ruling elite have not served America's interest for a very long time and it's been actively trying to destroy it since the
mid 70's. The media lies, sometimes they fail to lie or fail to do it convincingly, and we just happen to disagree over what in this instance.
In conclusion any google search of ATS will give you links to the source material i base these arguments on and you really have no excuse to claim
that there is no evidence for abundant oil when there is plenty to defend either opinion with. It's not that there is a shortage of 'evidence' for
either arguments but that one must be so very open minded to discover which are not in fact true!