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posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Documents disclose 'shadow government'


Government documents released by a Freedom of Information Act request reveal the Bush administration is running a "shadow government" with Mexico and Canada in which the U.S. is crafting a broad range of policy in conjunction with its neighbors to the north and south, asserts WND columnist and author Jerome R. Corsi.



The documents, a total of about 1,000 pages, are among the first to be released to Corsi through his FOIA request to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP, which describes itself as an initiative "to increase security and to enhance prosperity among the three countries through greater cooperation."


Anyone still think there's nothing to worry about with respect to a NWO? Yeah, let's build a fence to keep illegal immigrants out while Bush works behind our backs to combine the countries.




posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 11:08 PM
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What exactly is wrong with Bush making informed policy decisions and working with this fellows on the international level? None of that requires any NWO.

Worldnutdaily is a notoriously bad source of news, they don't seem to vet any of their information at all, but merely report on whatever bizzare stories they seem to be in favour of at the moment, not unlike the National Enquirer, etc.



posted on Oct, 1 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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Mecheng is on to something. This stuff is happening behind the scenes. Nygdan, I would suggest "vetting" for information on this topic yourself and see what you come up with.

These trilateral "discussions" not only involve Bush and the heads of Mexico and Canada, but they are secretive, and exclude the United States Congress. Jerome Corsi and his attorneys have been working diligently to obtain information through the Freedom on Information Act.

He states from his research that the organization called the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America", under which talks between president Bush and the heads of Mexico and Canada are held in secret and without congressional oversight,
is neither a treaty, nor a law. Corsi also finds through his FOIA research that there are hundreds of trilateral meetings and agreements that are coming to light; the most important of which has come to manifest itself as the NAFTA Mexican/United States/Canada Superhighway project.

It's difficult for the website set up as the public face of this organization, SPP.gov, to dispel concerns by adding a "Myth vs. Facts" section designed to allay public concerns, when something such as a Mexican/U.S./Canadian superhighway several football fields wide, and running from Mexico to Canada, straight through our country has just been given the green light by this organization; i.e., president Bush (and without, as has so far been determined, congressional oversight).

Corsi also includes a link to the Federal Highway Administration website, which shows this has already been designated as one of their future interstates.

Jerome Corsi appears to have a significant background in research and is apparently diligent and sincere with regard to these reportings. He mentions that he is a part of a citizens vigilance organization called Minutemen Project, which one could count as giving some weight to his sincerity, forthrightness and diligence.

One would probably have to, in particular, see this superhighway come to pass to provide ultimate credibility to Corsi's and other's claims, but I am willing to suggest that what he and others are reporting with regard to this organization/commission, is accurate - and terribly disturbing. Why is it not reported widely? Why is this information not readily available? Why is this organization not transparent if there is nothing to hide? Too many questions.

Here are some links with regard to the creation of the NAFTA superhighway:

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How is it that our president has the time to bankrupt our country with wars, attack three different countries, threaten two more countries, strip u.s. citizens of their civil liberties and constitutional rights, and still find time to meet with Mexico and Canada and sign an agreement to allow them to participate in U.S. law?



posted on Oct, 3 2006 @ 08:07 PM
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A little side note... Perhaps it's just me being more in tune with things since the illegal immigrant protests in the US recently, but has anyone else noticed a more concerted effort to bring more mexican culture into our lives through media, commercials, etc.

For instance, maybe some of you know about the Racing Sausages at Milwaukee Brewer's games. Recently the tourino (?), a mexican sausage was addd to the race. Not that it bothers me that much, but it just seems like "they" are suttley getting us accustomed to the culture south of the border.

Me being paranoid or does anyone else noticing something going on?



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 06:49 AM
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Just a brief observation, and that is that the Minutemen border patrol project that was organized a year or so ago was in response to what they saw as an influx of illegal immigrants sneaking across our border in droves. They were too late, and they are soon going to be further infuriated when the truth comes to light.

Here's the thing, and I haven't checked census or statistics to back this up yet, but it's very clear to anyone in this country that over the past 3 -5 years alone our Spanish-speaking, illegal immigrant population across this entire nation has quite literally exploded. And this is unprecedented.

It seems that everywhere, in every state, we all simultaneously began to hear reports of concern over a sudden influx and quickly growing problem of illegal immigrants. These are not, and I repeat - are not just a few hundred illegals jumping over a fence. The growth was so large, so widespread and so fast, that one can only come to the conclusion that our own government was not only turning a blind eye, but they were assisting and facilitating this process. Anyone can come to this conclusion through simple observation.

Any rhetoric to the contrary is a public relations move and is only lip service. Bush will say "We'll secure our border." I will surmise that the only reason this is an issue now, and our president feels he needs to make it a primary political issue, is that the situation is immense and urgent enough that something unprecedented is happening. And why this hasn't been the case in the past half of a century is because our government had not assisted the process until now.

The question is why. Part of this question can be answered by reading up on the NAFTA Superhighway agreement signed by Bush and the president of Mexico - link. Our president has been in hundreds of secretive meetings, and has signed hundreds of secretive agreements without apparent congressional oversight. And the first to become manifest is this disturbing superhighway program.

This alliance only brings more questions, and evidences something amiss behind the scenes, and by its existence flies in the face of Bush's own vow to create more of a border with Mexico, when he is in fact opening it up, and further, inviting the head of Mexico to become involved in U.S. law.

The big question here is why Bush would be in collusion with the president of Mexico, not discussing this matter directly, or these agreements, and why he is publicy addressing the illegal immigrant issue as a hot button issue and not mentioning the fact that he is actually opening our doors to Mexico at the same time. He obviously has allegiances here. And the lip service he is paying to securing our borders vs what he is actually doing paints a picture that is only hammering another nail in the coffin for this administration.

Why is Bush becoming so involved with Mexixo all of a sudden? Why is he hiding all of this? What the hell is this administration doing to our country and others around the world? I'm just asking 'cause...I'm curious...



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 07:23 AM
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Yup, that's right. You hit the spot mate, nice post.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 10:04 AM
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On The Deck...
I kind of hate bringing this up, in part because I sound paranoid and in part because I don't want to believe it, but to answer your question



Why is Bush becoming so involved with Mexixo all of a sudden? Why is he hiding all of this? What the hell is this administration doing to our country and others around the world? I'm just asking 'cause...I'm curious...


I think it's the NWO. Everything going on lately, very suttley points me to believe there are secret groups pushing us toward a one world government - First the EU, then a Union of the Americas and a Union of Asian countries, then a one world government. And no matter how much we protest nothing will change that. It just seems everything our leaders do is contrary to what I would consider "for the people" of America. And so what's the point of voting? They all seem like they're in it together. Even if I vote Democrat I don't think it will change anything.

Again, perhaps I'm being paranoid. Perhaps it's as simple as once again the interests of big business are put before the interests of the people. But it sure smells of NWO.



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by mecheng


I think it's the NWO. Everything going on lately, very suttley points me to believe there are secret groups pushing us toward a one world government - First the EU, then a Union of the Americas and a Union of Asian countries, then a one world government. And no matter how much we protest nothing will change that. It just seems everything our leaders do is contrary to what I would consider "for the people" of America. And so what's the point of voting? They all seem like they're in it together. Even if I vote Democrat I don't think it will change anything.



Mechang please be aware that it doesn't just effect the people in the USA but it effects everyone all over the world! A one world government means exactly what it says.


Thanks



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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I understand that. We're talking about Bush here and his shadow government with Mexico and Canada.

But you're right, it does affect everyone. That's why I said I feel all of these "unions" between governments are simply a first step toward an ultimate one world government.



posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
These trilateral "discussions" not only involve Bush and the heads of Mexico and Canada, but they are secretive, and exclude the United States Congress.

Any treaty has to be approved by the congress, thats why, for example, we don't participate in the Kyoto Treaty. Bush doesn't need the involvement of congress to work with foreign governments.


He states from his research

Unfortunately Corsi and the World Nut Daily are lunatics who aren't capable of basic research. WND repeatedly publishes statements and 'findings' that have no basis in fact, they essentially publish rumours and made-up ideas.


and running from Mexico to Canada, straight through our country has just been given the green light by this organization; i.e., president Bush (and without, as has so far been determined, congressional oversight).

Please explain why congress is needed in order for a highway to be built in the US.


which shows this has already been designated as one of their future interstates.

Good, its a darned good idea and should've been done years ago.


He mentions that he is a part of a citizens vigilance organization called Minutemen Project, which one could count as giving some weight to his sincerity, forthrightness and diligence.

Being a minuteman means absolutely nothing in regards to this issue or his virtue.


see this superhighway come to pass to provide ultimate credibility to Corsi's and other's claims,

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Why? The superhighway is a known project, corsi didn't discover it or something like that. Him saying that there is going to be this tri-national superhighway is like someone saying 'they're building a new bridge in town'.



Why is it not reported widely? Why is this information not readily available?

Its not reported widely because people don't care about another highway, and it was in the MSM. The information is readily available.

Why is this organization not transparent if there is nothing to hide?

If it wasn't transparent, Corsi wouldn't have any information on it. THey have a website with the information, of all things.


and still find time to meet with Mexico and Canada and sign an agreement to allow them to participate in U.S. law?

The three countries are building a highway.

that over the past 3 -5 years alone our Spanish-speaking, illegal immigrant population across this entire nation has quite literally exploded. And this is unprecedented.

Excluding, of course, all those other explosions of immigrants into the US. To this day there are still cultural enclaves of immigrant italian, eastern european, and chinese populations in the US.

This alliance only brings more questions, and evidences something amiss behind the scenes

Indeed, there is a force at work here, its called "The Invisible Hand".


mecheng
but has anyone else noticed a more concerted effort to bring more mexican culture into our lives through media, commercials, etc.

ANd what is wrong with this?
THere are, what, 11 million mexicans (not merely hispanics, but specifically mexicans) in the US. Thats a large market, of course we're going to see advertising the is directed to them, let alone all the other hispanics in the country.
Thats what makes America good, all these good things from other countries.

Recently the tourino (?), a mexican sausage was addd to the race

You do realize that there's also an Italian and a German and Polish sausage in that race right? I mean, those are foreign elements that were brought in by immigrants from a long time ago. When the germans and poles came to the US, they were overwhelmingly socialist and left leaning, the public hated them. And the italians, hell, they still speak italian and make sauce, they didn't assimilate, thank god, to anglo-waspy america, and we're better off for it. Even the hot dog itself is a german invention that was accepted by america, now its practically a symbol of american 'cuisine'.

We're talking about Bush here and his shadow government with Mexico and Canada.

But you are taking cooperation between mexico canada and the US to mean a shadow government. It simply doesn't mean that. All it means is that these three countries, sharing common borders, being practically the only occupants in their corner of the world, are cooperating with one another. THats not a shadow government, thats just common sense.

That's why I said I feel all of these "unions" between governments are simply a first step toward an ultimate one world government.

The only union that we've seen is the European Union. If anything that shows that a global union would be nearly immpossible. Even within the EU, they can't get the british to give up the Pound, and certainly not all of europe is included within the Union. Further, it was pretty clear that the trend of european history of the past century was going to be torwards a european super-state, that trend is not being followed in the rest of the world, if anything the exact opposite is true. The number of fully independant and sovereign states since 1900 has dramaticallly increased, this is the opposite of a trend torwards a one world government.



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 12:22 AM
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I wanted to respond, because I felt you were overlooking a lot of valid points, and were somewhat glib in some of your responses.

First, you mentioned the Kyoto Treaty. We don’t participate in the Kyoto treaty, because the U.S. decided not to sign that treaty. How do you mean “work with foreign governments”? If Bush is offering advise, or exchanging ideas with foreign governments that’s one thing. But if Bush is signing agreements that involve U.S. borders, our military forces, or is involved in anything resembling a treaty, or yields written agreements affecting U.S. law in any way shape or form, then we are talking about congressional oversight.

Ok, you don't like Corsi. That was mostly a dismissive and glib response. If you follow the texts Corsi is citing you can’t help but find his inferences based in reality.

You said, "Please explain why congress is needed in order for a highway to be built in the US. "

The bigger question is, why does the president of the United States want to build a highway? Congress is not needed to build U.S. highways, but the Congress IS needed to approve federal funding earmarked by our president for this purpose.

I'm concerned, as anyone should be when Bush wakes up in the morning, because Bush and his North American associates have a newly formed organization with a professional face, a host of plans for the future of our three countries, several U.S. agencies involved, and are inviting further elements of the private sector, business leaders and others to add, among other things, a Mexican superhighway, a single integrated North American trusted traveler program, which includes a new, North American ID/Passport to replace the old one, and a biometric traveler system(?). If that isn't enough to make Orwell wet his pants.

Was this where the problem, reaction, solution was supposed to lead us? This sort of system on our border with Mexico and Canada would be the start of a North American ID/biometric system that would "normalize" this system, and allow it to spread to U.S. airports and ports. Why not? We're using it at the Mexico border and with great success. We'll all be secure now (this is detailed at the spp.gov website under "2006 Report to Leaders". The not so subtle message to leaders must have been "mission accomplished"; The North American ID and biometric system is in place. You can almost hear Emperor Palpatine now, "Everything is proceeding as I had foreseen." This from a government whose Air Force Chief wanted to test "non-lethal" weapons, like microwave weapons, on U.S. citizens in crowd control scenarious before using them in a wartime situation to avoid being villified in the world press. I don't have space to add links. Google this info.)

They are not gathering together to share philosophies, they are gathering together to enact changes to U.S. law by fiat and without Congressional oversight. This is a presumptive assertion. But based on our government and corporations’ Machiavellian philosophy of self-interest, I’d say I’m right on about these f*ck*rs.

You said about us creating this Mexican/Canadian interstate that, "...its a darned good idea and should've been done years ago."

It won’t make a difference either way; it looks like it’s going to happen. However, if you understood that the corrupt Mexican government and Mexican corporations that employ the truck drivers that will be entering this country are not under the same regulations and restrictions that our drivers must abide by. This is fact. Some Mexican drivers have admitted to using illegal (in the U.S.) drugs to withstand the rigors of driving, and have even ran from fatal accidents for which they were at fault. Further, these trucks will be driving fruits and vegetables that will not undergo our own rigorous standards of testing, and which will be blended in with our own produce. This alone is enough for concern, and evinces what a reckless, short-sighted decision this is.


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posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 12:28 AM
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I agree being a stated Minuteman member does nothing for Corsi's virtue, only God can attest to that. I will say that the group itself offers credible, verifiable information on its website. I point that out, if for nothing more than to show the group’s sincerity and resolve.

You said, "Why? The superhighway is a known project, corsi didn't discover it or something like that. …. "

What I’m saying is Corsi asserts that the SPP, specifically, created and made plans for a Mexican/US/Canadian highway, and the fact that it originated with this organization will come to light if/when this particular highway is built. Not just any road that appears in the continental U.S., but this mega-highway in particular and its connection to SPP.

You said, "Its not reported widely because people don't care about another highway, and it was in the MSM. The information is readily available. "

People CARE about roads that open our border with Mexico, extend four (or more) football fields wide, invite unregulated Mexican truck drivers onto our highways, and are being constructed by the president of the United States. This information is NOT readily available – only to those who are looking for it. Most Senators and Congressman whose home states will carry this highway have no idea the plans even exist.

You said, "If it wasn't transparent, Corsi wouldn't have any information on it. THey have a website with the information, of all things. "

To be fair, Corsi claims he has had to invoke the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to information regarding this organization’s behind the scenes decision making. And claims there are many documents that are still being withheld. Corsi is a liar seeking attention, or he really is trying to purvey information about this union.

You said, "The three countries are building a highway. "

Go to their website and you’ll see their building more than a highway. And U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos M. Gutierrez has some very exciting things to say about his new, expanded role with the organization.

You said, "Excluding, of course, all those other explosions of immigrants into the US. To this day there are still cultural enclaves of immigrant italian, eastern european, and chinese populations in the US. "

I can’t even answer this one. Our president has been forced to address the issue of illegal Mexican immigration, and that’s not because he likes them less than Asian or Italian people.

You said, "But you are taking cooperation between mexico canada and the US to mean a shadow government."

I partially agree with this statement. It’s hard to have a shadow anything when you’re meeting before the national press, and you make public your intentions, etc., on a dedicated and very public website. But that website could just as easily be a PR device. The concern here is the secrecy behind the meetings that evokes the Bilderberg group; concern about bringing the private sector (NACC/business) into meetings regarding our national security (it stinks, again, of NAFTA corporatism), the continuing, calming rhetoric that this is not a European Union taking shape in the form of a North American parliament, and the slippery way that this organization has, in short time, set itself up as a regulatory power that intends vast changes and a larger, urgent agenda that, much like Iraq, doesn’t seem to have a visible, credible known source or cause for its existence at this particular time, or an imminent danger, or life threatening need to increase trade to necessitate the rapid growth and development going on with this “chat group”.

This organization is also so careful in choosing the wording and rhetoric on their site, and give speeches that seem to have been created in a lab somewhere, that you get a really creepy feeling about the whole thing that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

I can only go back to the problem, reaction, solution and wonder here...I hope I'm wrong..



posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 09:43 AM
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One last thing about the SPP’s (you down with Some other People’s Prosperity? Yeah you know me…) border security plans is that it DOES NOT ADDRESS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. What it does is address the issue as a stated concern, which only has a tangential relationship to SPP’s projected border plans. SPP’s real agenda, as stated on their website, is apparently to broaden, relax or remove our border restrictions with Mexico. It’s like a husband addressing the “taking out the trash” issue with his wife by telling her his drinking beer from recyclable cans will contribute to the environment.

Like the failed NAFTA “business venture” this is another business venture with a seemingly socially conscious face; its professed concern about prosperity and security. Ah, security and prosperity. That’s really nice. And Bush wants to say on national television that he will secure our borders against illegal Mexicans, and then turn around and go back to the SPP office with his buddy, the President of Mexico. Talk about friction in the workplace. I wonder if Bush is really addressing this problem from our side, or if he’s just “telling us that” and not doing it…but that would be saying one thing, and doing another…and that would be duplicitous. He wouldn’t do that. It would be unethical. I think we can look forward to more prosperity and security. Makes you feel like you’re wrapped up in a nice, soft, warm blanket by a crackling fire with some hot cocoa...as president Bush softly sings a melody and gently strums his guitar…

Why are they focusing on these legitimate border crossing points with further security there when the influx is happening “everywhere else but the border crossing points”?! It’s another perfect example of a misapplication of an ineffective security measure. But true border security was not their motive. Bush and Fox are greasing the skids for their own agenda, and using illegal immigration (and TERROR!) as their rallying cry.

It’s clear that increasing further control and security measures on these border crossing points (again, the illegals are not crossing here) and hassling legitimate, legal travelers, by creating a NEW North American ID/Passport (we already have a travel visa. we need a new one?), obviating an effective system already in place, and effecting a new “biometrics” system is misapplying an ineffective and unnecessary security system at further cost to our privacy and freedom of movement. It’s like stopping robbers who enter your house through the windows by putting a video camera above your front door. This fact is so obvious it’s staggering. These security measures serve the people implementing them, and not the immigration issue, or the citizenry they are meant to protect.

I submit that this new ID/ biometrics system was the goal all along. They are only facilitating something that only the SPP knows about. Why do we need a new organization to deal with something that the U.S. government has so far not been able to handle with Mexico’s cooperation? Was Mexico not talking to us until we started this organization? Why does our government need to create further organizations to address issues already being addressed, and poorly? We can’t overlook this fact when faced with tighter, superfluous and more bizarre security measures.

We saw what happens when corporations collude with our government. Do we want more of this? One of the concerns being addressed by these business leaders and heads of government is “to cut red tape or eliminate unnecessary barriers to trade in North America.” What red tape is left? Hasn’t U.S. business already stuck its bloody claws into every sector and continent? Is there one last thread of civil liberties that they were unable to sidestep or abolish? I’m missing a lot here. I’ll bet that anyone following this organization and its demented offspring will have a sour taste in their mouth and a sick feeling in their stomach in a year or so when things really start to get ugly.


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posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 10:33 AM
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Regarding fingerprint scanners, retina scanners, x-ray scanners, wiretapping, data mining, and biometrics – enough. We have to draw the line. Our government is slowly turning peeking into our lives, our personal lives, into a profession. And it has to stop. Someone, somewhere has to draw the line.

There are two things that the government proffers when there is a cry of resistance to their further snooping, peering and poking into our personal lives, and they are “terrorism” and the ever popular “if you aren’t committing a crime, then you have nothing to worry about”. No, “If we aren’t committing a crime, then YOU have nothing to worry about. See how that works?” Their flimsy reasoning is no excuse to scan people through their clothing. Total Recall (movie) was not cool. If they can invent a device that can scan through our f**king clothing, then they can invent a device that can otherwise detect bombs or weapons. It’s that simple.

The people capable of making this technology, and our government/military, are not the people that should be determining its application. Period. Legitimate, protective, legal, broad and thorough oversight needs to take place with all technology. But we are suffering at the hands of our own government who have scruples and our best interests in mind as a vampire does with his victim. It ain’t happening. But here, we are at the mercy of our government and military, and no one seems to be putting the brakes on. We need an unbiased, sincere, rigorous and accountable third party to disseminate technology like this, and IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

They have a scanner that shoots x-rays through your clothes to find weapons, or bomb-making materials. They can do this at prisons where they have incarcerated “criminals”, who have been tried and convicted of crimes, but they should not be able to do this to innocent, law abiding citizens. You don’t need to see me naked, or to scan my eyeball with a laser to feel confident I’m not a threat. The fact that I’m abiding the law, walking free down the f**king street, and attempting to fly to Des Moines to visit my grandmother is an indication that I’m not packing a f**king warhead. The war on terror has given our government cart blanche to implement some of the most ridiculous, perverse and invasive security measures against its own people (need I mention the U.S. Air Force Chief again?).

The corporations selling these faulty devices to our government don’t have a hard sell, because our government likes toys that it can use against other people. These are measures taken by our government in the “interest of national security” that are being recklessly driven to their ultimate extremes, with few checks, regard for effectiveness as a true deterrent, or concern for the egregious and shameful violations of individual privacies conferred by the Constitution and the founders of this country to its citizenry. This is a paranoid, power-hungry, unchecked government running roughshod over its populace in the name of some phantom and it needs to stop. We saw what happened when Oppenheimer shared his technology with the U.S. government. Boom! They likey the explosions.

Our government has turned its paranoid gaze to its own people, and is taking an aggressive stance that threatens to become a governmental modus operandi within its own borders. With threats of criminal legislation being passed that makes speaking out against the administration considered seditious and an imprisonable offense, you have to wonder what dangerous reasoning, or ideologies are at work here. The border situation is an honor system, whereby legitimate, free and law-abiding citizens follow the rules when they travel back and forth. Because there is a problem stemming from our government’s inability to secure a national border, we are being forced to undergo further restrictions on our liberties, and infringements on our privacy by being forced to offer a finger scan just to leave this country. F**k you!



posted on Oct, 8 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
THere are, what, 11 million mexicans (not merely hispanics, but specifically mexicans) in the US. Thats a large market, of course we're going to see advertising the is directed to them, let alone all the other hispanics in the country.
Thats what makes America good, all these good things from other countries.


I agree with much of what you said, however, not all things coming into this country "illegally" across the border are good. The MS-13 problem here in the Washington D.C. area is a real issue.



posted on Oct, 8 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Our government has turned its paranoid gaze to its own people, and is taking an aggressive stance that threatens to become a governmental modus operandi within its own borders. With threats of criminal legislation being passed that makes speaking out against the administration considered seditious and an imprisonable offense, you have to wonder what dangerous reasoning, or ideologies are at work here. The border situation is an honor system, whereby legitimate, free and law-abiding citizens follow the rules when they travel back and forth. Because there is a problem stemming from our government’s inability to secure a national border, we are being forced to undergo further restrictions on our liberties, and infringements on our privacy by being forced to offer a finger scan just to leave this country. F**k you!


Agreed. It should be obvious to anyone w/ an IQ over 70 that our current administration is using the excuse of terrorism to erode civil liberties. It's right in front of our faces...



posted on Oct, 10 2006 @ 04:03 AM
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Face the facts guys, the US is screwed. I live in Ireland & looking from the outside in, Your government & media have spun exceptionally well there wonderful plans to benefit you, Reality checks all round me thinks. Any sane individual knows that superhighway is bad news. I told my friend in Chigago about this highway reality a month ago, & he knew nothing about it from any media source. Such a project will have massive implications to US Citizens. Lets c!!!!!!!! transport of illegal everythings you can think of & under costing homegrown american small business, because it's now cheeper to buy & transport from mexico.

I I I,
warning signs & alarm bells should be ringing on local radio waves in my opinion.

Regards



posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 12:05 PM
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!!!CHECK THIS OUT NOW!!!

Libertarian Stan Jones Montana TELLS TRUTH

This guy speaks exactly of what I said earlier... That the government is selling us out for a one world new order. It's coming folks and we better wake up before its too late!

Vote Libertarian!!!

[edit on 13-10-2006 by mecheng]



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by mecheng
!!!CHECK THIS OUT NOW!!!

Libertarian Stan Jones Montana TELLS TRUTH

[edit on 13-10-2006 by mecheng]


Nice link thanks for that


It actually stunned me to see a senator saying it like it is on TV - I'm not used to seeing members of congress/parliament telling the truth!!

If you are reading this and haven't checked it out yet, I recommend watching it



posted on Oct, 14 2006 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
What exactly is wrong with Bush making informed policy decisions and working with this fellows on the international level? None of that requires any NWO.


New World Oder (drop new, and you have world order) so in a since if he is working on an international level and there are international laws that countries are compelled to go by...then this would make a NWO (in regards to the very last sentence in your quote)

As far as what is wrong with communication, nothing.
But in general people with power, like to centralize and have control.
And that appears to be what is happening everwhere. One can argue that for the sake of humanity it is needed. (which may be true, but if so, it is sad, as it implies we are monkeys to have to be watched and looked after, or slaves to do the bidding of a few.)

What is needed, or rather nice, is individuals to drop the power game.
Who really cares...truly. If indeed, as Solomon said, great kings meet the same fate as the slave, then who really cares. We should drop all governments, and live at peace with one another.
But I think this world isnt evolved enough, and if revelations (no im not religious) is any implication of anything, this world, the way it is now is not mature enought to just live and let live.

Peace

Dalen



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