Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
This being the case it is our duty as students of God's prophetic Word to examine this doctrine of the Secret Rapture, and ask ourselves -'Is it
The above statement is very true. The Bible is where a person needs to turn for the answers to questions. So since that is the case, and that is
what should be done to answer the question is there a rapture, then lets look at the Bible. There are many verses which tell of the removal of
christians before the tribulation period.
Here are some of them that need to be looked at and studied.(once again I will say that after the rapture there will still be millions of people saved
through faith in Christ).
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
escape can mean vanish which is what people will do at the rapture
1 Thessalonians 5: For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
Acts 15: And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I
will set it up:
 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
a people are "taken out" for Christ name then there is a "residue" left, residue means left down or left behind, and this residue will seek the
Matthew 16: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.(this verse is not talking about peter being the first pope and/or the catholic church authority, it's talking about a distinct group of
Now these next 2 verses
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Matthew 16:18 says the church will not be prevailed against. Rev. 13:7 and Daniel 7:21 says that they will be prevailed against. So are they overcome
or not. Do we have another one of those "contradictions" found in the Bible? No, there is an answer.
I(and not only me alone) say it is because the Church is one group of believers in Christ and there are other groups of believers in Christ.
Go to Revelation 1: And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. This is
written to believers.
Now in Revelation Chapters 2&3 he is talking about the church/churches.
Now in Revelation Chapter 4: After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a
trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
A door is opened and a trumpet sound says Come up hither(rapture).
Then in the same chapter we are introduced to the 24 elders, Rev 4: The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and
worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying...,
In chapter 5 we find out more about the 24 elders, Revlation 5: And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell
down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to
God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
The 24 elders have been redeemed and been made by God to be priests and kings. Angels aren't redeemed, people are, so the 24 elders are people. 24 is
a specific number and represents the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles. In other words the people of the Old covenant and the New covenant who
placed their faith in the Messiah, Jesus. All the people who placed their faith in Christ. 24 elders is symbolic for believers.
Look what else they are made to be, kings and priests. Go back to Revelation 1:6 and the book of Revelation is written to believers who we are told
are kings and priests unto God. Now we find the 24 elders who are kings and priests unto God. These same people are now in heaven. They have been
raptured, before the tribulation events begin.
Now continue on in Revelation. Revelation 6: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? The wrath of God has come,
but we already know from 1 Thessalonians 5:9 this(For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ), believers
have not been appointed to God's wrath. Another evidence of the rapture.
Now continue on in Revelation. In Rev. ch. 7 we hear about the 144,00, a specific number of people. Then in the same chapter we find out about this,
Revelation 7: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,
stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and
 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and
made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
We know this 2nd group from Rev. ch. 7 is not the 144,000 because this is a group no man could number. So in Ch. 7 we learn about 2 different groups
of people. This 2nd group, that was so large that no one could number them, COME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION.
So we have 3 different groups of people so far who are believers in Christ, the 24 elders and the 144,000, and the uncountable number of people.
So now we know how the church(believers) cannot be prevailed against according to Matthew 16:18 but we now also know how believers can be prevailed
against according to Rev. 13:7 and Daniel 7:21.
The church is a distinct group of believers taken(raptured) to heaven before the tribulation(wrath of God) takes place. Then there will be another
group of people during the tribulation that will turn to Christ for salvation and be saved(the uncountable number from Rev. ch.7).
After ch. 3 of Rev. we no longer here about the churches, but we run into the 24 elders several times and every time they are in heaven.
The 24 elders is the raptured church/churches,
then there is 144,000 , who it appears are raptured to heaven in Rev. ch.14,
then we have the uncountable number who come out of great tribualtion,
then it appers there is another group of believers in Rev.20: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I
saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
There are other verses detailing the rapture, but this should be enough to study on for now.