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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 07:07 AM by Gazrok
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Under current plans, the B-52, along with the younger B-1B Lancer and the new stealthy B-2 Spirit, will be kept around until approximately
2037, by which time the Air Force calculates that attrition will have reduced the fleet below the minimum 170 aircraft. The B-52s may fly to 2045.
I seriously doubt they are doing anything with active prototypes for a bomber that isn't going to be in production until 2030+..... It would make
more sense (both financially, and logistically), to simply increase production of the B2.... Doesn't mean they aren't experimenting, but not with
full size craft for that role....
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 07:36 AM by Lampyridae
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With the current Air Force craze for stealthy UCAVs as being the next generation of combat aircraft, I doubt whether any tactical long-range bomber
will ever get off the ground - at least, not a manned one at any rate. I think the broad range of proposals reflects the fact that not many in charge
of future planning are at all sure what the next major battlefield technology will be.
For example, if someone comes up with a way to effectively detect stealth aircraft, their entire fleet will lose its advantage. If somebody develops
point defence lasers, then the very idea of bombs becomes obsolete as they can be simply blown out of the air before they hit. Just like Vietnam
showed, a major technology thrust can suddenly become a liability.
In my opinion, the next main thrust will be towards high-speed, stealthy, low-level attack aircraft, perhaps capable of Mach 3-4 cruise and Mach 2+
low level attack. I think one thing they will be looking at is an integrated system that can power a laser cannon mounted in the bomb bay - something
that would be impractical with a high-altitude attack aircraft, such as the likes of the HyperSoar.
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 07:51 AM by Gazrok
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Very good points... 
Stealths have other things going for them as well though....including advanced avionics and electronics, weapons systems, etc.
Also, both the B1 and B2 bays can be adapted for THEL use.....
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 08:09 AM by Lampyridae
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Very good points... 
Stealths have other things going for them as well though....including advanced avionics and electronics, weapons systems, etc.
Also, both the B1 and B2 bays can be adapted for THEL use.....
Yup, that is true, but there are problems associated with laser weapons... power source is one of them. The proposed 100kW laser cannon for the F-35
needs to siphon off 1MW of power from the engines, which means a redesign... however, the C-130 might be able to take a modular laser weapon.
AC-130 Laser Package
Phasers locked on target, sir!
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 09:27 AM by vorazechul
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last rty , desmichels
[Edited on 10-11-2003 by vorazechul]
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 09:34 AM by darklanser
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Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
Nice like that, no ?
Why did you edit my pic Nans?
Look closely and you'll see darklanser written at the bottom of the pic.
[Edited on 11-10-2003 by darklanser]
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 10:02 AM by vorazechul
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don't be so strict with him
he was just creativ
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 10:25 AM by The Blade Runner
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thats it i want a go!!
im gonna design something.. im hijacking this thread more like design your own stealth bomber thread or something...
this thread is too cool not to have a go!!
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 10:37 AM by vorazechul
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you said it, runner
and give us some pics of it too
and by the way this aint out of the topic
to say what you hope something to be is exactly as creating(designing) it in your mind
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 10:54 AM by The Blade Runner
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 03:36 PM by Lampyridae
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 03:40 PM by The Blade Runner
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i thought it was funny.. and they say your not suppost to laugh at your own jokes eh...
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 03:50 PM by heelstone
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I remember back in 1989 when the B-2 was first made public (I think that was the year), there was certainly an uproar over the cost, which later
increased. There was also the discussion as to why build super-expensive B-2 bombers when more inexpensive cruise missiles could be used in its
place. I'm not sure there was ever a good explanation given. Shortly afterwards, once the USSR fell, the B-2's existence really came into
question.
I really don't think that we are going to be getting a B-3 bomber. Other technologies will certainly take its place, as it likely should have back
when the B-2 came out.
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reply posted on 10-11-2003 @ 03:59 PM by KrazyIvan
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Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
there wont be a nuclear reactor on a plane yet. there are still too heavy
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reply posted on 11-11-2003 @ 05:22 AM by mcoy
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The B-3 is here. Its in service. It started life as aurora
I have some friends who are employed for a private contractor (Owned by the british goverment) who are working on beam weaponary. This is one of the
ways forward.
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reply posted on 11-11-2003 @ 09:25 AM by Lampyridae
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Ever heard of NERVA, Krazy Ivan?
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reply posted on 12-11-2003 @ 10:23 AM by Nans DESMICHELS
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Originally posted by darklanser
[Edited on 11-10-2003 by darklanser]
Sorry, I couldn't resist, your drawing is nice but such a plane is not aerodynamicaly reliable.
KrazyIvan, I know that, anyway, it's not a good drawing.
but, You didn't understood the span wing VAC concept ?
[Edited on 12-11-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]
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reply posted on 12-11-2003 @ 10:33 AM by Zion Mainframe
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Originally posted by KrazyIvan
there wont be a nuclear reactor on a plane yet. there are still too heavy
Ya think so, huh?
www.air-attack.com...
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reply posted on 13-11-2003 @ 08:31 AM by ghost
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B-3- what do you think/hope it might be?
Originally posted by heelstone
I remember back in 1989 when the B-2 was first made public (I think that was the year), there was certainly an uproar over the cost, which later
increased. There was also the discussion as to why build super-expensive B-2 bombers when more inexpensive cruise missiles could be used in its
place. I'm not sure there was ever a good explanation given. Shortly afterwards, once the USSR fell, the B-2's existence really came into
question.
I really don't think that we are going to be getting a B-3 bomber. Other technologies will certainly take its place, as it likely should have back
when the B-2 came out.
I have to disagree with the assumption that cruse missiles could replace the B-2 or ANY bomber for that matter. Bombers provide the military with the
ability to hunt for moble targets. An example is the SCUDS of the first Gulf War. If you remember there were moble missile launchers that were used to
attack Israel. the only way to find any of them was to chase them down with manned aircraft.
Lets's look at a hypothetical Situations where bombers would be better then Missiles (this is a VERY possibal in the real world):
Situation 1: What if intelligence makes a mistake and issues the wrong set of coordinates for a target:
The intended target is a military command center in the capital city (you can pick the country). Intel accidently issues the wrong coordinates and the
building at that spot is a hospital instead of a command center.
If we use a Crues Missile you have just Killed several Hundred innocent civilans!
If we use a manned bomber the pilot would probably be carring target photos And all medical facility are suppose to have a Red Cross on the roof
during war times. The pilot look through his Infered targeting scope and realizes that he is looking at a hospital and not a command center. Sticking
to the Rules of Engadgment, he abourts his bombing run saving countless lives.
Tim
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reply posted on 13-11-2003 @ 08:46 AM by heelstone
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Originally posted by ghost
I have to disagree with the assumption that cruse missiles could replace the B-2 or ANY bomber for that matter. Bombers provide the military with the
ability to hunt for moble targets. An example is the SCUDS of the first Gulf War. If you remember there were moble missile launchers that were used to
attack Israel. the only way to find any of them was to chase them down with manned aircraft.
Lets's look at a hypothetical Situations where bombers would be better then Missiles (this is a VERY possibal in the real world):
Situation 1: What if intelligence makes a mistake and issues the wrong set of coordinates for a target:
The intended target is a military command center in the capital city (you can pick the country). Intel accidently issues the wrong coordinates and the
building at that spot is a hospital instead of a command center.
If we use a Crues Missile you have just Killed several Hundred innocent civilans!
If we use a manned bomber the pilot would probably be carring target photos And all medical facility are suppose to have a Red Cross on the roof
during war times. The pilot look through his Infered targeting scope and realizes that he is looking at a hospital and not a command center. Sticking
to the Rules of Engadgment, he abourts his bombing run saving countless lives.
Tim
We don't even have to have a hypthetical situation where our intelligence is faulty in this day and age. The invasion of Iraq proved our
intelligence is severely messed up. So really it does not matter if we use cruise missiles instead of bombers or not, the effect will be the same in
light of such bad intelligence.
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