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truth serums end to torture debate and bad information

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posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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Look Bush is talking about wanting to use alternative interogation methods and his opponents are rightly calling for more information on what those methods are.

Well why not use the latest advances in chemical and technological truth serums available most of you have heard of sodium pentathal which is a very strong barbituate similar to alcahol (which is why some say the thruth comes out when your drunk) well besides the well known substance there are otehr more sophisticated chemicals out there, not to mention using brain scans and voice stress analyzers to determine whether hte suspect is being honest.

So I say there is no excuse for using torture when we have these tools at out disposal use them, then you can end the complaints about how suspects are treated and using third party countries as bases of operation.

well respected and credentialed executive law enforcement officer pleads congress to allow use of truth serums




posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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much better Idea than the current plan...


It is known and understood that torture does not yeild better results. So why continue to do it?

Serums are definately the way to go.



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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There's a thread on the ineffective use of torture in obtaining truthful information. I was going to comment on it, but I can't find the thread at the moment.

Sodium pentothal was developed based on the theory that lying is more complex than the truth, so inhibiting the higher cortical functions, inhibits the ability to lie.

en.wikipedia.org...

Torture doesn't lead to truthful information, but torture has another purpose. Torture is effective in brainwashing and programming people. If you want a selection process, to pick Arab operatives to work for you (CIA) then you use torture - similar to stockholm syndrome.



[edit on 23-9-2006 by tazadar]



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 02:06 PM
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I would think the real problem is in interpretation. Hasn't one of the big problems been that one of the things that constitutes torture is the feeling it inspires in the victim; humiliation, fear of death or maming etc. etc.

I personally have no problem with truth serum. The only time I draw the line is at physical torture. Though I have no problem with psychological torture which could include the implied threat of physical torture.

Much like a hitchcock film implication is always a lot scarier than direct disemination.

My opinion of course is that if you want these guys to fold like a cheap card table you have to go old school. Not CIA old school but mafia old school.

Give me a suite at the Bellagio, an incredibly smart and expensive blonde blue eyed call girl, an eight ball of coc aine and some recording equipment and you'll have all the information you could ever want and most likely some disgusting therapy inducing pornography.

It may be illegal and it may be amoral and it may inspire many feelings in the "victim" but fear wouldn't be one of them.

Interesting article.

Spiderj



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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very interesting idea spider...lol

CIA run brothels...roflmao



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 02:12 PM
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Actually (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the CIA and the FBI actually did run some brothels in the seventies.


Spiderj



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by tazadar
Torture doesn't lead to truthful information, but torture has another purpose. Torture is effective in brainwashing and programming people. If you want a selection process, to pick Arab operatives to work for you (CIA) then you use torture - similar to stockholm syndrome.


That is about the only useful reason to want to continue "torture".. is to try to convert some.. so that they may be used as "double agents".. But how effective is this? I have no stats on that one either way.



posted on Sep, 23 2006 @ 04:28 PM
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I think you're all overlooking the point of interrogation, to get information you don't already know. Truth serum is only going to make the answers truthful, but how do you know which questions to ask. By all reports, waterboarding can have a man crying like a baby in under a minute and they'll tell you every detail of their lives to make it stop.



posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I think you're all overlooking the point of interrogation, to get information you don't already know. Truth serum is only going to make the answers truthful, but how do you know which questions to ask. By all reports, waterboarding can have a man crying like a baby in under a minute and they'll tell you every detail of their lives to make it stop.


This is were investigative and cunning interogation comes in the poeple doing the question asking are supposed to be very well trained at deductive reasoning.

Spiderj, ur outside the box thinking on aining information is brilliant, I mean if one was to truly want that information that would be a way to go, in such a setting the suspect would let their gaurd down and spill the beans to this hot women he just railed to impress her.

Thats just it I feel like the cia and govt dont really care about garnering the information but more so as deterring others from carrying out of being involved with htreats of torture, though that would proabably only cause an increase in the number of suicide bombers.

There are many methods that can be implemented to gain information from a someone who is initially unwilling to give it, just takes some thinking.



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