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Originally posted by Terral
C. Those using Bush are ready to bring in their “New World Order,” which the American People will NEVER accept, unless we are subjected to the growing Chaos spreading from the Southwest to the rest of this once great country.
Longbow >> Well, to all you people who still produce those conspiracy theories - don't you think it would be extremely risky to attack Pentagon with something other than 757 and then claim it was the airliner? Just ONE person with camera who would capture approaching cruise missile, Global Hawk or I don't know what would COMPLETELY RUIN the whole story.
Jeffrey A. Tucker >> “For the most part, the intellectual classes are not buying into the war line . . . Regardless of the handful of intellectuals willing to do the state's bidding in this case, the success of war propaganda depends on convincing the masses in such a way that public opinion swamps the opinions of the intellectuals – making the intelligentsia feel outnumbered, isolated, and passive.”
Longbow >> That, my fellow board members is too big risk for every secret service to take. No mentally healthy person would approve such covert action.
Terral Original >> Every topic has its own “Doubting Thomas,” . . . But your attitude makes a guy like me wonder.
Without’s Reply >> Look kid, I doubt your theory as much as the govt's for the simple fact that both arguments have huge holes in them that would be ripped wide open even by a half ass law student.
Without >> You [Mod Edit] must have water on the brain to call me a DoD cover story operative, ya know, considering I HAVE NEVER ONCE DEFENDED NOR ENDORSED THE GOVT POSITION.
Without >> You CTers seem to call everyone that don't endorse your theories disinfo agents, DoD operatives, NSA CIA, NBA whatever. You CTers also seem to love never ending circular debates.
WithoutEqual >> While you folks debated every single point in the JFK case that either didn't matter, or couldn't be proven, the murderers got off scott free. YOU HEAR ME NOW? THIS TYPE OF DEBATE, THE WAY YOU GUYS APPROACH THESE THINGS HELPS THE BAD GUYS MORE THAN YOU HURT THEM.
Without >> THAT'S WHY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS THE JFK MURDER IS STILL UNSOLVED, AND THAT'S WHY IF I VISITED THIS SITE IN 10 YEARS I'LL SEE YOU SAME PEOPLE, DEBATING THE SAME EXACT THING OVER, AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ENJOY GOING NOWHERE WITH YOUR CAUSE.
Without >> Oh and one more thing. When someone disagrees with you, or says your evidence will take you nowhere,
and you call them an intel agent it kills you're legitimacy to a point where most people won't take anything you say seriously.
Without >> So you can thank yourself, for shooting yourself, and your cause in the foot. Which makes me wonder, what's your agenda, who do you work for?
Without >> Cause statements like your's show desperation, and immaturity which hurt your cause more than a DoD operative ever could. Makes it alot easier to call people a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing kids. You are, your own worst enemy.
Samblack >> Terral is one paranoid, deranged individual. Why do you want it to be a missile. I don't get it? It was plane!!
Samblack >> Too many people saw this thing hit the pentagon. I dont need proof everyone here has seen plenty of eyewitness testimonies.
Samblack >> Why the hell would they use a missile? Any person with half a brain wouldn’t use a missile in such a highly populated area, give me a break.
Samblack >> Ok I did a little research on this subject of Jet...vs....Missle theory
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Sam >> First off,there were light poles on the highway and a fence/generator that was most likely hit as the plane passed by that were clipped as the plane entered the vacinity of the Pentagon,if a Missle hit a lightpole would it continue on course?Probably not. Anyway here are a few pics.I'm sure there are more pic's out there but I just don't feel like wasting my time in something so obvious.
”The thing I find so interesting about this picture is the glass on the pavement in proximity of the pole. A jet going roughly 400 MPH hitting the pole and the glass from the light lands near where the pole is. The glass should have shattered the instant the plane hit the pole and land in a totally different area. This pole looks like it was just tossed into this position. What is also interesting in all the pole pictures is that the poles seem to have snapped off at the base. The mid section of the pole isn't even bent or dented, which is where the maximum stress would be as the pole bends.”
Sam >> You know I'm right ,that's all I have to say......no more response's for you my friend.
Sam >> And my "tiny" post makes alot more sense then your's ever will. Just prove's that I don't have to write a book like you do to prove the fact's that did happen.
Sam >> And again, what about these people? I don't think they believe your missle theory, lol.
Sam >> img.photobucket.com... The truth hurt's, although it should not.
“From my close up inspection, there is NO evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon . . .”
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by snoopy
You might want to do some research beyond conspiracy sites who will only post anything that makes for a good conspiracy. Try not using sources that cherry pick information to make a pre determined conclusion.
So what sites do you want me to use, the ones you provide links to?
Oh wait you didn't supply a link, did you..
So c'mon where are these thousands of witnesses? Probably in the same place your 'liquefied' wings are, nowhere...
Pre-determined conclusion? Sry but that term has already be used to describe the NIST report, try something like 'independent research with no reason to be biased'.
Something the government as failed to supply, I wonder why? Don't you?
I do know what a troll is, and you make a good example of one. All you do is post exaggerated claims, uneducated opinions, lies, and offer nothing to back up your claims.
Maybe you should learn to read some of these 'cherry picked' conspiracy sites, take the info and make your own mind up. Instead of doing nothing but trying to discredit everything that questions, or makes you think (scary idea huh?) something is wrong with, the official version of events. If you can't see holes on the official story by now you are either brain dead, in absolute denial, or lying for the government.
Sry but someone who questions nothing about 9-11 is very suspect in my eyes.
What sites do I think you should use? Ones that don't have a single goal of presenting a conspiracy no matter what. Sites that are not biased and misleading. Sites that aren't known for lying to people.
Snoopy >> Once again, tons of pictures of the plane parts: www.abovetopsecret.com... Oh look, plane parts inside, plane parts outside, plane parts everywhere. Kinda different when you don't use a few pictures that obscure parts huh?
Terral Original >>
Picture #2 >> www.worldnewsstand.net...
This second photo also shows damage before the floors fell some 45 minutes after the initial attack ( CNN Reporter on the scene = thewebfairy.com... ). Note the round hole where the missile penetrated the wall to explode just inside the Pentagon, which caused the damaged columns to lean back in our direction (three orange tilted columns right of the hole). However, if you place the silhouette of your mystery 125’ wide Jetliner on its belly entering the building, the cable spools are sitting directly in the flight path. How are these bent orange columns even present, if 100 tons of Jetliner passed through this small hole???? Remember that your mystery Jetliner is almost 50 feet tall. Look the picture over really good to verify that NO evidence of any 100 tons of Jetliner is present anywhere!!! The very highest dimension you can give the mystery attack object is about twenty feet, because that is the distance from the ground to the top of the second floor; and that height is only possible if the ‘center’ of the attacking object is centered on the hole. The fact is that my missile exploded inside the Pentagon just beyond that hole, which is why the columns are bent back in our direction and debris is found ejected back towards the cable spools. Try to measure the distance from the top of those spools to the bottom of the red line over the top of them and realize that distance is only about five or six feet.
Picture #7 >> www.worldnewsstand.net...
This is perhaps the most damning evidence of all against the PLANE Theory. If 100 tons of Jetliner with 60 tons of aluminum exploded over the top of these spools, then someone explain how the black plastic coating remained unaffected??? Do you see any sign of tons of melted aluminum anywhere in this photo?? No. Do you see sufficient room in the wall behind the spools to accommodate our 100 ton Jetliner? No and neither does this ATS Investigator.
Snoopy >> Yet you haven't provided a single picture of a missle. PS - once again. please not the perdue engineering computer anylisys video.