It may just be posturing, you know the old gunboat diplomacy trick but its a dangerous game and one that if we push the issue we will end up losing and there will be a great loss of life. War is good for business, war = lots of money for the arms producers and the goverments any misery for the rest of us.

I've been saying for months that Iran is hooped. It really does not matter whether they comply with demands made regarding their nuclear tech or not. It's not about that despite what the reports and the US gov (and Canada and Australia and UK...) say about it.

I fear it is innevitable. Unavoidable. Ultimately, this is a stuation that will encompass not just Iran in the next few months, but also Syria, Pakistan and all of their neighbors respectively. Israel will NOT be targetted however...regardless of their Nuclear Tech, failure to disclose and failure to comply 100% (as stipulated and required by the UN) with inspections of "suspected" facilities, known facilities or otherwise.

Clearly it's not about nukes. Not about human rights violations and certainly not about terrorism. It's about money...crude, black, tradeable, money $$$.

I have many friends in Iran who are preparing for the worst and seriously thinking about returning to Canada with as many family members as they can bring. A costly venture for them and a hell of a step back. It really is sad.

A carrier battle group in or near the persian gulf in and of itself is not that note worthy, the US has kept one in the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean and the Mediterranian at all times for the last 35 years at least, and usually one in the gulf itself since 1990.

Now what would be somewhat significant is if the current group(s) in and around the area don't leave when the Ike gets on station.

Having multiple carrier groups in the area would be a bit more alarming.

Can it be so obvious from the headlines and news stories that the US is going to attack Iran? One would think suprise and secrecy to be a better tactic. Maybe the internet make this an unrealistic possibility?
Or does it mean as some of these stories imlpy the US military does not want to go to war with Iran and its being shoved down their throat by the administration.

in the current war has actually caused more af a separation - division in those following the events.

What we see in the mainstream media is still "upheld" and toted as the "official" source of "truth and responsible" reporting.

It would seem that much of the amazingly important information being circulated via the net is downplayed as to it's actual importance in Government and indeed the mainstream media agents and outlets.

Kind of like a giant poll where the administration can get a "feel" for what's going on and what opinions are being circulated.

I firmly believe that the Bush admin, takes the internet rambling of "us" web folk seriously, but then in the same instance will turn around and put forth a much different opinion in public.

A sneak attack is not an option. Hell even Desert Storm was widely debated as a possibility long before it came to be a reality, the same thing with this handy "War on Terror".

Iran is in for major trouble, in plain site...though if you glue yourself to CNN or Fox...you're very likely to get a much different opinion.

The web offers great insight, but make no mistake, it won't stop an attack on Iran just because people see it coming. The Iranians see it coming...

BTW - uphill...thanks for the Book titles...I haven't read them but will take a look next time I'm out at the bookstore.

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I see any attack on Iran as an absolute disaster for the U.S and for West/East relations generally. Any attack on Iran would simply throw gasoline on the fire that is the Middle East at the moment, and i fear the reppercusions would be horendous.

In my eyes any attack on Iran would be the begining of a very dark age.

The U.S would have to be crazy to attack Iran, and this time they'd be going it alone.

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An attack on Iran will be a global disaster make no mistake.

The destruction wrought on all sides will dwarf recent wars.

World War III is a significant possiblity in my view.

Iran is well equipped: advanced missile systems, a navy, an air force and a significant army. Additionally there exist major allies such as Muqtada Sadr in Iraq, Hizbullah in Lebanon. Finally, Iran is armed by both Russia and China.

Of course the US is more than capable but the price is great.

First of all, I feel sorry for the many many innocent people in Iran. Some of the will get hurt or killed.

US will lose many soldiers, too. Iran won't be an easy meal.



I don't have any opinion on the war on Iran because it doesn't interest me alot and I havn't read alot/know much about it.

You really think we would win by preemptively nuking them? Apparently someone lied to you about how much oil is in Alaska. Do you really think that in that event Russia and China wouldn't step up to bat for their little brother? You've also just severely agravated nuclear neighbors Pakistan and India who are both wondering why you just made their borders glow in the dark. How do you think the 80% of Europe who detest US policy would feel about it?

Do I hear "World War 3"? Better pack an umbrella.

Iran wont be alone... China and Russia have significant investment in Iran... they wont let the USA march in there and destroy their investments.

I'm active duty Navy based in San Diego, CA.

Sometime in the near future (I can't release specific dates...opsec requirements) we're deploying for fleet week in san francisco (put two and two together here) - not a big deal in of itself, however our chain of command keeps telling us to pack our seabags like we're going on deployment overseas.

I thought it was kind of curious, because i've been deploying to sea for the last 4 years and they've never said this kind of thing *Except* right before the war in iraq.

Oh and also - I deploy onboard the Nimitz. I find it curious they say the eisenhower will deploy to the gulf. To my knowledge, thats an east coast ship - and east coast ships typically do not deploy to the persian gulf, only west coast ships.

Just my two cents.

- zeeon

i've got bad news for you guys....world war III started a long time ago. it's just been small skirmishes up to this point. but should the US, Israel, or any other western country attack iran, it will heat up significantly. of course the upside of this situation is that it will force all those lurking in the shadows to show their true colors at which point we will know for certain who our real enemies are.

The Israeli's "idea" to attack Iran... They'll do it again, unfortunately with the way things are...it likely won't dwindle away like it did back in 2002.

There's a lot of Military and Political posturing going on and it does appear to be the start of something big...ww3 is sadly a possibility.

India and Pakistan, are sure to be involved as well...both hotbeds of activity lately and still quite the Nuke loving governments too

Bush won't back down nor will Israel...regardless of peace efforts from Iran or others involved.

I live in Canada and the thing that sucks is that Canada is not strong miltary wise. If there is a World War 3 we won't be able to do much about it here. It makes me mad at the history of our governments mistakes. Canada had the potential to be the strongest country in the world and our politions were to lazy to grasp it. (Note: this was about 150 years ago I think.) At a certain point Canada was the most advanced military wise and had oportunity to have more people to move here. If you add the net effect of that grand increase in pop we would of had a population matching that of the U.S. But, no. All well.

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Originally posted by donk_316
Iran wont be alone... China and Russia have significant investment in Iran... they wont let the USA march in there and destroy their investments.

They won't? Not to sound condescending, but what are they going to do about it? If you think they will go to war with the US, Britain, and Israel over Iran, then no offense, you don't know what you are talking about.

I hate to say this but I think our alliance with Britian is fading fast.
IMHO all our allies save Israel are fading fast.
Not to mention our forces being stretched out.
If war breakes out with Iran, watch out for the draft.

- zeeon