New Video: 9/11 Mysteries

Black, sooty smoke means inefficient fires. Yes, they produce lower temperatures. Do you know the difference between temperature and heat, though? Makes a difference. Soot could also be a result of too much fuel to oxygen, just as much as it could be too much oxygen to fuel. The fact that the WTC fires started out much more efficiently with the jet fuel and burning office material, compared to just the office material, should lead the more critically thinking of you to a conclusion as to which case it was here.

I think it was either explosions or both. So it just depends.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Black, sooty smoke means inefficient fires. Yes, they produce lower temperatures.

wrong in both.... Free radicals, or the unburned gases released in fires, do not "produce lower temperatures"... and as a matter of fact hydrocarbon fuels produce twice the heat per pound than cellulosics do...

In layman’s terms, Free Radicals are the actual unburned gases that release from a fire giving smoke it’s black appearance and allowing the fire to grow in temperature.

www.rnick.com...

Thats what happens to class B fires...

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CH2-, or -CH- (like polyethylene and polypropylene, for instance).The latter are based on a partly oxidized carbon unit: -CH(OH)- (like wood, paper, and cardboard, for instance). Cellulose-based material, as it occurs in its natural state, could be considered already partially burned (oxidized). When the two classes, hydrocarbons and cellulosics, are burned to carbon dioxide and water, they consume different amounts of oxygen and produce different amounts of heat. For each equivalent of combustion product generated, the hydrocarbon-based materials consume fifty percent more oxygen. On a weight basis, the difference is even greater. Hydrocarbons produce twice the heat per pound as do cellulosics

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Originally posted by bsbray11
Do you know the difference between temperature and heat, though? Makes a difference.

If i remember correctly this was a point that you couldn't understand for the life of you sometime ago in another discussion...but now you are trying to use this to corroborate your theory when you obviously do not even understand what you are saying?...


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[edit on 11/2/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Does anyone know when the next part will be out? i hope we dont have to wait for ages in between parts. we need to get this infomation out., its been far to long!!

[edit on 31-10-2006 by Matthew5012]

Wow so far this thread has been just as good as the 9/11 film/documentrys lol,
its been like watching eastenders or something of the sort, people getting flamed up over opinions & people being put on ignore for irritating replys, man my eyes hurt now from the moniter glare, can i get some points for veiwing this whole thread & not to mention the possible damage ive done to my eyes reading it all,

i kinda get the impression after watching the loose change flick that explosives of some sort were used to ensure the seemingly pro collapse job, i & mabye you guys too would have to admit even though before 9/11 wtc- no-one had seen a demolition of buildings that size before, & from the demo jobs you have seen of high rise buildings that wtc 1&2 was pro like in thier decents! there was even comments made by people being interviewd stating the same thing iv just mentioned, 'about it looking like a demolition job'.

im not here to argue with anyones perspective on things, im here to learn & share what thoughts iv gathered from it back with you guys,
one of sites purposes i guess is TRY to enlighten people as to whats going on in this shady world, so anyone who has "ignored" anyone else through this please reconsider,
after all the guy/girl that may have really irritated you with what you think are silly pointless comments or feedback may not have all the facts & perspectives you do, or even be as mature minded as you are,
Arnt we all here to share thoughts & bounce ideas off each other to mabye gain some light to the question that either bother us or we just want to know the answer to?

id like to think NO-ONE on ats has a bad feeling towards anyone else for such silly reasons as irritating you etc,

Anyway i liked seeing the sismic graphs that was a good change from looking at the usual horrible pics, im all for seeing "official" & independant sourced info on things, some of you budding investigators out there im sure could group together alot of this official & independant published information all in one place with as many comparisons of different sources grouped together so we can see variations in stories/data, we would all get a great read from somthing like that!

as for my opinion on why it happend & as to who MAY have been behind it well,

little gorgie boy looked a bit sus' after the secret service dude told him of what happend & added to that he lied when he said in a public outing he seen it on tv as it happend, why would he be watching tv when he is supposed to reading with the kids in that class? so just from those two things id say hes in on it or atleast knew it was going to happen that day that morning or both!

as to why, well he has links to the bin laden family/group both on a personal level (so iv heard) & on a business level so if it was al-quida & bin laden then gorgie may have pissed him off over somthing, then theres oil, then theres the excuse to justify war,

one thing i will say to you all is to forget the how & focus on the why & then go get the who's.
if those responsible are al-quida & they are still in the caves then justice when/if it comes should not be from the jets in sky or the troops on the battlefeild but at the stand in the courts ..... then by the hands of the guy administering the leathal injection or pulling the switch.

I guess what astounds me more than the few remaining who have seen this video and continue to support the official "pancake" theory of collapse is that they don't seem willing to concede that when you add the official cover-up ...

(i.e., grudging approval to do a financially limited investigation chaired by a Bushie - immediate shipping of steel to China - no official curiousity as to whether explosives may have been successfully planted to assist the terrorists in bringing down the buildings - I mean remember, they bombed WTC with a truck bomb once, so why not investigate the secondary device reports made by firefighters, cops and civies?)

... to the physical evidence that thermate was used including the consistently angular cuts on center column steel supports at the sublevels, the video evidence of its use, the photographic evidence of molten steel on the columns, the sulphur and molten iron (product of thermate burn), the 8 week later huge molten pools of iron in the sublevels, the ejection of huge steel beams a football field away from the WTC, the unexplained (except by Silverstein) (and un-investigated) collapse of WTC 7, they are still adamant that the rest of us are the conspiracy theorists.

AMAZING. I never believed in disinfo specialists but I may have to revisit that.

If anyone is interested in a high quality Windows Media Video of this film, you can download it here.

911 Mysteries High Quality Download

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If anyone is interested in a high quality Windows Media Video of this film, you can download it here.

hey dude i clicked the link & got nothing but,

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ive tried going onto other sites & doing the same thing & it works fine, i will say that yours isn't the only one not to have worked, but il keep trying until the copy I'm getting arrives! thanks for the op anyways dude

Sorry, you might have to try again, the link works, just been alota load on the server.

This website is on a shared server, however it is picking up on viewership and am going to be transfering to a Virtual Private Server on Monday or Tuesday.

The video is at www.truthhub.com if you have trouble with the link

High quality version of this film here.

Originally posted by Slap Nuts


The guy who made this gets FIVE FREAKING STARS.

Period.

WATS to this guy... 1,000,000 WATS votes.

[edit on 22-9-2006 by Slap Nuts]

Actually, it's a girl behind the movie, I know her, I have talked with her, an unbelievably smart girl too. SmallStorm is the name

Originally posted by Matthew5012
Does anyone know when the next part will be out? i hope we dont have to wait for ages in between parts. we need to get this infomation out., its been far to long!!

[edit on 31-10-2006 by Matthew5012]

I can tell you that the next part won't be out for a little while.
People don't realize how much money a project like the first movie costs. If you have 60,000.oo$ to spare, you have a start but without any copyrights to the movie.
Now bare in mind that there are some possible copyright problems with some of the footages. It seems some of the people who appeared in the movie are now being pressured to force SmallStorm to take some parts out due to copyright laws. Well, they state copyright laws but they just want to shut her up.

Try this little experiment for fun: call CNN or FOX or ABC and tell them you want to buy some footage of 9/11 for an independent movie, now bare in mind that those copyrights cost upwards of 100$/seconds and then some. Well, before they release any copyrights to you, they are going to ask you to provide them with a title or at least a brief idea of what you are doing. I tried and when I told them the tittle of my project, they just hung up on me, no way they were going to sell me any footages or copyrights if I am a truth movement member.

Oh my god. I was generaly under the impression that the jet fuel which aparently burns at a much lower temperature thain I thought (only 980 °C 1796 °F). Was the main culpret bringing down the WTC looks as if I was wrong.

If this video is even half correct it would mean a huge coverup by a lot of difrent Government Agencies, Private institutions, and Economic interests. That doesnt make any sence cause when it all gets accounted for it just doesnt equil 0. (I think someone has it as their signature) "if you want to keep a secret between two people the only way that happens is if one of them is dead."

Haliburton wants a natural gas pipeline in Afghanistan...

Enron wants their case gone off of the records...

The President wants a war with Iraq...

The Port Authority wants the economic black hole of the WTC gone...

The leasee of the WTC wants a substantial return on his investment...

This isnt equiling 0 in my opinion

There is a hole in this conspiricy a hole the size of ground zero.

How would you go about getting Osama to put his piece of the puzzle into place if there wasnt a gurantee that he would never be captured?

Finding the answer to your questions is the biggest service you will ever do to yourself and the world.

It is the question that drives us
-Trinity

No one can be shown what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself.
-Morpheus

For the sake of argument let's say Scrotum Bush is innocent, what reason would he have to hide the truth from us?

I only watched part of the film this time, but man, this is really messed up. Our own leader could be part of this mess. It's suprising that Bush is still in office at all, or are many of us just too much into the Superbowl, reality tv, and drug commercials to even notice?

It's really peculiar how so many drugs are being pushed on us in these times we live in. I'm certainly not talking about the street dealer, I'm talking Big pharma. A lot of these drugs being those that make us less aware. Why would you want your population less aware, or in some kind of "I don't care" state? Could there be something big to hide from all of us? Another freedom attacked, but why should we care, we were high on Oxy or Projac. By their nature, these drugs are control mechanisms. Maybe we aren't supposed to be smart and figure things out? Are drugs, and 911 somehow linked as part of a bigger picture, a bigger plan? Hmm, big questions indeed.

Troy

Originally posted by cybertroy
It's really peculiar how so many drugs are being pushed on us in these times we live in. I'm certainly not talking about the street dealer, I'm talking Big pharma. A lot of these drugs being those that make us less aware. Why would you want your population less aware, or in some kind of "I don't care" state? Could there be something big to hide from all of us? Another freedom attacked, but why should we care, we were high on Oxy or Projac. By their nature, these drugs are control mechanisms. Maybe we aren't supposed to be smart and figure things out? Are drugs, and 911 somehow linked as part of a bigger picture, a bigger plan? Hmm, big questions indeed.

Troy

Troy - Please find the answers to your questions here.

Int'l bankers attempting to destroy America - NWO - 9/11 - Federal Reserve - Smoking gun

I was never really able to put it all together until now. America is under the control of unseen foriegn powers who fully intend on destroying the United States. If we don't take a stand now it will be too late.

4:03 minute mark in the movie

"... that country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe ..."

The Federal Reserve
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

And then check out this site. I just watched the video "America's not-so-secret government" and I just started watching ,"Who's hiding the Truth about Iraq?"

www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com...


[edit on 27-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]

This conspiracy does not add up something smells afoul.

Ok most of us are pretty sure that the airliners that hit the WTC didn’t cause the buildings to fall. Also it is conceivable that the whole thing was a controlled demolition. Those buildings fell too neatly to not have been anything but a controlled demolition.

Now what has been bugging me about all of this and what doesn’t make any sense to me is what’s the connection between 9/11 and Enron?

The stuff that adds up is as follows

1. George W. wants a war with Iraq…understandable, wants to put his mark on history, wants to finish something that his father didn’t. Sure it makes sense.

2. Halliburton wants a natural gas pipeline in Afghanistan… Yep gotcha but there’s a problem the Taliban run the show there, they sure aren’t going to give an American company permission to run hundreds of miles of pipeline through their country we can’t just go and take the natural gas from Afghanistan without overthrowing the Taliban. Can’t start a war without a good reason. Kind of pisses people off when you do that (see starting a war with Iraq above)

3. So now we have two places we need to throw good money after bad. Afghanistan and Iraq. But how do you go about getting the American people behind such a stupid idea? I mean Afghanistan is where the Russians back in the 80s couldn’t conquer because of a back then good friend of the US Osama Bin Laden. We supplied loads of guns, training and resources for him to get rid of the Russians (Anyone remember that GI Joe episode back in the 80’s when they Osama Bin Laden as a good guy?)

4. Now Osama is pretty ticked off at the US because after his guys defeat the Russians do we send him so much as a thank you note? Nope sorry, we stop all shipments of guns and support to Afghanistan. So Osama wants to thank his old ally the US somehow. He cooks up a scheme to hijack lots of plains over the pacific and slam them into US buildings. Ah but we foiled that little plan fast the first time he tried it out.

5. Osama then sends some guys over to New York and they attempt to blow up the WTC with trucks in the lower parking garages. Didn’t work. Buildings still stand and none the worse for wear. Dang those are strong buildings. Back to the drawing board Wile E Osama.

6. So someone somewhere has an idea, Hey we can blow up the WTC and blame it on Osama, Yea that would work we could get some people to hijack planes and slam them into the top floors of the WTC that would be pre loaded to be demolished. That will tick off the American people enough that as soon as we come up with who did it they will scream that we invade whatever country it is and get that a hole.

7. Did they do it because Osama attacked the WTC before and so it would be more believable for him to try it again? Does it make any sense to anyone that Osama would try two previously failed terrorist attacks together? (Again a Wile E Coyote reference is suggested)

8. The WTC is a cash nightmare for the Port Authority of New York. Its structure is difficult to upgrade, it’s full of asbestos, and it costs a fortune to upkeep. But that doesn’t explain why the WTC, if they wanted to get rid of the buildings they could. Cities do this all the time they buy out buildings tear them down and rebuild. It happens everywhere. It’s not that hard for a city to do. So why the WTC? IMO there are other New York landmarks that would have made more sense for a terrorist attack (Statue of Liberty, Chrysler building, Etc…)

9. Then that video says something, WTC 7 houses a lot of sensitive info including much of the paperwork for the Enron trial. Now that doesn’t make much sense either because wasn’t the trial being held in California? Also wasn’t there a CIA office in that building? If they wanted to make that evidence disappear why take out the building? Why not just make that evidence disappear. Who are they covering up for? What was in the WTC that made it such a high priority target?

A lot of this doesn’t make any sense to me, I am not one that generally believes in many conspiracy theories but 911 just doesn’t add up something is screwy here. You have way too many people in the mix in the first place. The president, Halliburton Enron the Port Authority, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (the reason he wasn’t in the secured bunker in WTC 7 is because the WTC was hit. If I were him I wouldn’t be in the mayor’s bunker either.) The CIA, the FBI. Way too many pickles in that barrel, something doesn’t add up and that equation is if we were going to blame Osama Bin Laden in the beginning why did we let him go?

And back to my original thought, what does Enron have to do with anything? The GOB network still works in this country we could have gotten the evidence lost a lot easier than to blow up really big buildings. This conspiracy is way too complicated to be a conspiracy to me looks like its time to cull something from this heard. So let’s look at it from a purely political standpoint.

The executive branch has a vested interest in getting the Taliban out of Afghanistan. Also they have a vested interest in getting into a war with Iraq. So they need a bogyman a scapegoat Osama fits that bill nicely.

Taking out the WTC will help the economy of New York (urban renewal) and people would get really pissed off if you took out two huge buildings. On the plus side the dude that rented those buildings got a great big payoff in the end. So besides the horrible unnecessary loss of life it was a good thing.

You got your bogyman Osama you got your happy ending now all you have to do is pull it off without a ton of red tape. Hmm what organization can and does do things all over the world without a lot of red tape and those nasty ethics and laws things hmmm?

Let's work one a couple of things here.

Now there are several qualified building demolition companies in New York Controlled demolition is a hard thing to do. You got to know your explosives backwards and forwards Especialy if you want to "put a building in it's basement" to quote the movie.
local.yahoo.com...

I wonder what would happen if someone looked into the books on these companies a few years back. Time is running out on that tho. Companies only have to keep financial records for 7 years. I bet if you did you would find one of them got a huge gigantic payoff from an undesclosed source for an undesclosed job. Remember people we live in the information age, somewhere allong the lines there is a paper trail.

How come FEMA was in New York again? How many people did they have in New York? also does FEMA regularly station people in New York. Things to think about. I don't want to bad mouth FEMA though they helped me out personaly durring hurricane Charlie a few years back. So I know that it is a big beuracracy that doesnt realy have any set adjenda it just does whatever the government tells it to do.

There has to be a comon link between all these "coincedences" There has to be a paper trail. Nothing in this country is done without a paper trail. High up yep you can get rid of the paper trail but down where the poo rolls someone does some paperwork.

Lets talk about the other two hijacked planes a second. First off the Pentigon. If this was a conspiracy why the pentigon. If it wasnt then that would have been the only target that IMO honerably was attacked. (as far as I am concerned military targets are fair game for enemys of the state, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor a honorable military target. just because they got the drop on us doesnt mean it wasnt an honerable military strike)

According to the "Official 911 report" it is theorised that the people that said "let's roll" were the hijackers themselves. To me that is BS because they would have said it in aribic "lets roll" was the battlecry of the pasengers on that plane. They sacraficed themselves to save whatever target that plane was going for.

So to realy sum up and try and put things into a logical and explainable pretense. Everyone has to look at a few things.

If this was an extremely elaborate conspiracy. Then you have literaly hundreds of people that are in on it. That is unlikely in a conspiracy.

Now there has to be some record of something anywhere that ads up. In accountant terms everything has to balance out. Somewhere there has to be a underlying flaw in the bookwork. That is where you should look. Forget the Leasee that guy got his money fair and square I doubt that he was involved otherwise he wouldent have openly sued his insurance company for the loss. If they were to pay billions out on an insurance claim don't you think they would have fought tooth and nail to keep that loss from hapining?

The weak link in this whole cenario is the demolition crew that set up the charges at the WTC. I bet they were paid a poo ton of money to do the job no questions asked. I am sorry but from what I know private service pays a helava lot more thain a government job in this case. Whomever higered the right people to do the job highered a civilian company. There is your weak link. Somewhere there is a record of a payment that is above and beyond that leads to nowhere. There is the money that was spent in this demolition of the WTC. I betcha if you talked to the right low level employee you would find a chink in the armor of this entire conspiracy.

When it all boils down in the end money is what is going to get people caught. Money has to ither be deposited or withdrawn from somewhere. Money does not apear out of this air.

[edit on 27-11-2006 by whatukno]

Thanks "In nothing we trust" for the links. So we've got bankers, NWO, but heck, we have mention of NWO in the bible. This rabbit hole sure is deep.

Troy